[B-Greek] Titus 2:13
William Ross
woundedegomusic at gmail.com
Sun Aug 13 22:35:48 EDT 2006
Issue #1: Is it really "great god?" I'm not sure that is a foregone
conclusion. The genitive would normally be "great [one] of god" if I am not
mistaken. I know of no scriptural precedent for "great god" for either Jesus
or the father, except perhaps in the LXX, in the form TOU QEOU TOU MEGALOU
(Ezra 5:8) but still not really the kind of title being suggested.
Issue #2: Sharp's Rule does not seem to apply.
William Ross
VGB, Argentina
On 8/13/06, George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I would be inclined to say that they are looking for ONE (1) thing
> expressed under two forms:
>
> 1. The appearance of the glory of the great God [which is also]
> 2. Our saviour Jesus Christ.
>
> ____________
>
>
> *William Ross <woundedegomusic at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> Would you say that the text allows for the following?:
>
> "eagerly awaiting the appearance of:
>
> * the glory of the great god
> and
> * our savior anointed Jesus
>
> Ie: that they are looking forward to two distinct things?
>
> It seems to me that the appearance of the two things above is thoroughly
> Pauline, whereas referring to Jesus as "the great god" is unprecedented.
>
> Paul refers to the "appearance" of the [time of] favor in the same
> sentence:
>
> Tit 2:
> 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared [EPEFANH] to
> all men,
> 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live
> soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
> 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great
> God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
>
> So, he says, the favor has appeared - now look for the glory - and also
> our
> savior. That should be a thoroughly familiar theme. So the KAI connects
> these two appearances, yes?
>
>
> William Ross
> VGB, Argentina
>
>
> On 8/13/06, George F Somsel wrote:
> >
> > It's called haplography. I omitted it accidentally. Read
> >
> > "the blessed hope and appearance of the glory of the great God, even . .
> > ."
> >
> > Sorry about that.
> > ___________
> >
> >
> > *William Ross * wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the response.
> >
> > I don't see where you address DOXHS.
> >
> > William Ross
> > VGB, Argentina
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/13/06, George F Somsel wrote:
> > >
> > > You might consider
> > >
> > > Looking for the blessed hope and appearance of the great God even our
> > > savior Jesus Christ.
> > >
> > > The omission of the article before σωτηρος [SWTHROS] might well
> indicate
> > > that they are to be considered to refer to one and the same person.
> θεον
> > > επιφανη και κοινον του ανθρωπινου βιου σωτηρα [QEON EPIFANH KAI KOINON
> > TOU
> > > ANQRWPINOU BIOU SWTHRA was used of Julius Caesar. See Moule, _Idiom
> Book
> > of
> > > New Testament Greek_, pp. 109-10; Lock, ICC _A Critical and Exegetical
> > > Commentary on the Pastoral Epistles_, in loc.; Mounce, WBC 46
> _Pastoral
> > > Epistles_, in loc.; A. T. Robertson, _A Grammar of the Greek New
> > Testament
> > > in the Light of Historical Research_, p. 786.
> > >
> > > ___________
> > >
> > > *William Ross * wrote:
> > >
> > > Yea or nay on this translation of Titus 2:13?
> > >
> > >
> > > 13 prosdecomenoi thn makarian elpida kai epifaneian thv doxhv tou
> > megalou
> > > yeou kai swthrov hmwn cristou ihsou
> > > "Looking forward to the happy hope and the appearance of the glory of
> > the
> > > god's VIP and our savior anointed Jesus"
> > >
> > > The part I most want to focus on is the treatment of the genitives.
> The
> > > term
> > > "VIP" is obviously anachronistic and abbreviated. I would ask you to
> > > indulge
> > > me on that, knowing that what I understand it to literally say is "the
> > > god's
> > > great one."
> > >
> > > William Ross
> > > VGB, Argentina
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> > > gfsomsel
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