[B-Greek] 1 Cor 14:2b: Double-Duty OUDEIS?
Webb
webb at selftest.net
Fri Dec 1 13:51:50 EST 2006
Dear Scott,
"what I'm trying to ask is whether it is possible to speak mysteries
in the Spirit."
The answer, if you do a word study on the Greek word MUSTHRION as used by
Paul, is clearly "yes". There are certain matters that only God fully
understands--that's exactly what Paul means, when he uses the word
MUSTHRION. So the person doesn't know what they're saying, no other human
being knows what they're saying, but God knows--because the Holy Spirit is
conveying secret prayers from the person's innermost being to God.
If you don't have a Greek concordance of the NT, then just go to Strong's
Exhaustive Concordance, and look under the words mystery and mysteries, key
number 3466, and look up every instance where Paul uses the word.
"In other words, "no one speaks mysteries in/by the Spirit"
because it is not possible to speak mysteries by the Spirit. The Spirit
knows the mind of God, so how could the Spirit speak a mystery "to God"?"
If you're asking how that can happen, the obvious answer is that God can
enable the communication of profound things to God through human beings,
things that they cannot understand, but which are still powerful in the Holy
Spirit. See Rom. 8:26-27 for this principle. Unless you study what Paul
means when he uses the word MUSTHRION, you're not going to get this. You've
got to let go of the notion that MUSTHRION means something whose meaning is
opaque to everyone including God.
"it is not clear to whom this is a "mystery"
But yes, it is clear to whom it is a mystery. It's a mystery to the person
speaking, and to anyone around the person speaking. That's no more and no
less than what Paul is saying. Nothing is a mystery to God--but plenty of
things remain MYSTERIES OF God to us--unless they are interpreted.
This conversation is interesting, but it is veering away from the b-greek
list boundaries. Let's continue off-list, if you want to talk about 1 Cor.
14 exegetically.
Best Regards,
Webb Mealy
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