[B-Greek] OUSIEN?
Eric Weiss
papaweiss1 at yahoo.com
Mon Dec 11 12:54:14 EST 2006
Isaiah 43:10b (LXX): hOTI EGW EIMI EMPROSQEN MOU OUK EGENETO ALLOS QEOS
KAI MET' EME OUK ESTAI
So ... how are persons like myself supposed to know that OUSIEN is an abbreviation for
OUK ESTAI? Does it mean OU(K) (E)S(TA)I hEN - even though hEN is not part of the verse?
Or is this a common enough abbreviation that iconographers and iconophiles would know it?
frjsilver at optonline.net wrote:
It's an abbreviation for OUK ESTAI.
The quote from IS 43:10 was shortened to
EMPROSQEN MOU...OUK ESTAI
Father James Silver
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Weiss
Date: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:18 am
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] OUSIEN?
To: frjsilver at optonline.net, b-greek
> So ... any idea/guess what the OUSIEN following EMPROSQEN MOU is
> an abbreviation
> for/of, esp. if it's a reference to the Isaiah passage?
>
> For what it's worth, the book in which I saw this photograph
> of the dome Christ Pantocrator
> icon is this one, in case anyone here has access to it and can
> look at the picture I'm
> referring to:
>
> Are you saved?: The Orthodox Christian process of salvation by
> Barbara Pappas
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Are-you-saved-Christian-
> salvation/dp/0962372145/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/002-3530985-5477634
>
> frjsilver at optonline.net wrote:
> Dear Friends --
>
> The last line was probably abbreviated in some artistic way so
> as to make it difficult to read. How much of any ikon's
> scriptural quotation gets spelled out is at the discretion of
> the painter and limited by the image's available space.
>
> The words are from IS 43:10 :
> EMPROSQEN MOU OUK EGENETO ALLOS QEOS KAI MET' EME OUK ESTAI
>
> This completes or at least echoes the opening lines, which are
> from REV 1:8 and 22:13.
>
> Hope this helps a little!
>
> Peace and blessings to all.
>
> Father James Silver
>
> Monk James
> Orthodox Church in America
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eric Weiss
> Date: Sunday, December 10, 2006 5:47 pm
> Subject: [B-Greek] OUSIEN?
> To: b-greek
>
> > In a book I saw at church today is a photo of an icon of
> Christ
> > Pantocrator in the
> > inside of a dome of an Orthodox Church - a typical design.
> > Surrounding the
> > icon is the phrase, as I recall (I might be missing a few
> words
> > or not transcribing
> > it exactly):
> >
> > EGW EIMI LEGEI KURIOS hO QEOS hO PANTOKRATWR
> > TO ALFA KAI TO OMEGA
> > hH ARCH KAI hO TELOS
> > hO PRWTOC KAI hO ESCATOS
> > EMPROSQEN MOU OUSIEN
> >
> > It's this last word - OUSIEN - that has me confused. The first
> > two letters look like
> > the typical icon way of showing OU - i.e., a v-shape on top of
> > an omicron. The
> > icon at the link below shows this in the next to the last line
> -
> > the "OU MH" has
> > the "OU" written as I describe:
> >
> > http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/cgi-
> > bin/photo.pl?path=Icons_and_Frescoes/Icons/Jesus_Christ&file=34.jpg
> > Anyway, after this "OU" are the letters CIE followed by a
> > subscript-size N. The
> > "C" is of course a sigma, and I assume the little "N" belongs
> to
> > the preceding
> > letters, but that then spells out "OUSIEN" - and I can't
> figure
> > out what this is
> > supposed to mean.
> >
> > The word KAI was abbreviated as K', but I don't recall any
> signs
> > of abbreviations
> > in this last word.
> >
> >
> > Eric S. Weiss
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
> Eric S. Weiss
>
>
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