[B-Greek] hEN DE (Phil 3:13)

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Mon Dec 11 23:42:39 EST 2006


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From: Webb <webb at selftest.net>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:40:47 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] hEN DE (Phil 3:13)


Dear George,



I've whipped through and found these LXX references that show the verb
LOGIZOMAI as the act of determining a course of action: Ps. 40:8; 51:4;
139:3, 5; Prov. 16:30; Jer. 18:11; 27:45; 30:14, 25; 31:2; 33:3; 43:3; Hos.
7:15; Mic. 2:3; 1 Macc. 3:52; 6:19.



In the NT and outside Phil. 3:13, only 2 Cor. 10:2 seems unambiguously to
function that way.



Does demonstration of the fact that LOGIZOMAI can refer not only to a
determination of a state of affairs but also to the determination of a
course of action do anything to warm you up to reading OU LOGIZOMAI.hEN
DE.DIWKW as "I don't reckon I've attained it.but one thing I do reckon:
I'm.pursuing the goal for the prize."? 



Webb Mealy

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From: George F Somsel [mailto:gfsomsel at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:02 PM
To: Webb; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] hEN DE (Phil 3:13)



I tend to think that the more usual translation "Brothers, I don't think
I've arrived, but this one thing I do . . ." is more accurate.  hEN
references what follows which are verbs of action, not of thought.


george
gfsomsel
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----- Original Message ----
From: Webb <webb at selftest.net>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:38:24 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] hEN DE (Phil 3:13)

ADELFOI, EGW EMAUTON OU [some mss: OUPW] LOGIZOMAI KATEILHFENAI, hEN DE, TA
MEN OPISW EPILANTHANOMENOS, TOIS DE EMPROSQEN EPEKTEINOMENOUS...

The great majority of translations I have consulted interpret hEN DE as "But
one thing I do". But my first reaction was to take flow of the thought to
be, "I don't reckon X, but one thing I DO reckon is...". The result (closer
to Moffatt, NJB, NEB, Williams, Phillips) might look like:

Brothers and sisters, I don't determine myself to have reached it [some mss:
reached it yet]. But I have determined one thing: I'm forgetting what's
behind me, and reaching out for what's in front of me.

Or, in less literal and concordant but more understandable English:

Brothers and sisters, I don't regard myself as having gotten there [some
mss: gotten there yet]. But I do know one thing: I'm forgetting what's
behind me, and reaching out for what's in front of me.

So hEN is read as the object of the implied verb LOGIZOMAI, and LOGIZOMAI
shifts from a reckoning of fact in the first instance to a reckoning of an
appropriate course of action or attitude in the second, implicit, instance.

Is there anything impossible about this? Anything improbable?

Webb Mealy


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