[B-Greek] ACTS 18:18 TOIS ADELFOIS
Bryant J. Williams III
bjwvmw at com-pair.net
Fri Dec 22 20:09:40 EST 2006
Dear George,
EN EFESWi *is* the Dative in I Tim 1:3. It is completes the thought of
PROSMEINAI. It indicates where Timothy is to remain, IN EPHESUS.
Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
----- Original Message -----
From: "George F Somsel" <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
To: "Iver Larsen" <iver_larsen at sil.org>; "greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] ACTS 18:18 TOIS ADELFOIS
> Iver,
>
> Your statement regarding PROSMENW will not stand to scrutiny. In 1 Tim
1.3 we find
>
> KAQWS PAREKALESA SE PROSMEINAI EN EFESWi POREUOMENOS EIS MAKEDONIAN, hINA
PARAGGEILHiS TISIN MH hERODIDASKALEIN
>
> Note the absence of a dative object here.
>
> On the other hand, APOTASSW in its 6 occurences in the NT has a dative
object in 4 of 5 occurences (omitting the passage under discussion). The
one instance which lacks a dative object is in Acts 18.21 -- three verses
down the road from our passage. It would take it that the dative object is
then supplied by the dative object of 18.18 which we just left (temporarily)
out of the discussion. When Paul and others left they weren't waving
"bye-bye" to thin air.
>
> george
> gfsomsel
> _________
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org>
> To: greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:23:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] ACTS 18:18 TOIS ADELFOIS
>
>
> <SNIP>
> To my view what is relevant here is not the position of the verb in its
clause but the relative
> position of the verb vis-a-vis its dative object. Maybe I should write the
5 clauses here (leaving
> aside 18:18). When the verb is a participle, it is a dependent clause
(verbal phrase):
>
> <SNIP>
>
> One thing that I hinted at but did not make clear is that while APOTASSW
may have an optional dative
> object, PROSMENW requires an object in the dative, at least in the NT.
There may be
> a few cases in other literature where it occurs without object. There is
one in the LXX at Jdg 3:25
> where the location is easily inferred from the previous words. But the
pattern for PROSMENW is for
> the verb to be followed by a dative object.
>
> <BIG SNIP>
>
> Although you are not fond of word order arguments, you have been known to
reconsider, if I am
> persistent enough -:)
>
> Iver Larsen
>
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