[B-Greek] hINA GNWTE KAI GINWSKHTE Jn. 10:38
George F Somsel
gfsomsel at juno.com
Sun Feb 12 12:26:14 EST 2006
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:47:50 -0500 frjsilver at optonline.net writes:
> Dear Friends --
>
> Etymological similarities notwithstanding, these two verbs really
> don't mean the same thing.
>
> Ancient translations retain the subjunctive but offer distinctly
> different meanings. Both Latin and Church Slavonic, e.g., render
> this as 'that you may know and believe'.
>
> Hope this helps a little.
>
> Monk James
> Orthodox Church in America
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: RRedden604 at aol.com
> Date: Thursday, February 2, 2006 8:27 pm
> Subject: [B-Greek] hINA GNWTE KAI GINWSKHTE Jn. 10:38
>
> > THAT YOU MAY KNOW AND YOU MAY KNOW Jn. 10:38
> >
> > hINA GNWTE KAI GINWSKHTE hOTI EN EMOI hO PATHR KAGW EN TW PATRI.
> >
> > I am interested in getting everyone's insights into this hINA
> > clause in John
> > 10:38. We first have a subjunctive aorist active second person
> > plural
> > followed by a subjunctive present active second person plural.
> > Both could be
> > translated "you may know." The textual history seems to indicate
>
> > some discomfort
> > with a double "you may know" with some copyists omitting it (if
> > it was
> > older), or others replacing it with PISTEUSHTE (if GINWSKHTE was
>
> > older). I have
> > never been satisfied with the standard translations. Is there
> > more here?
> >
> > Rob Redden
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Despite what the Latin and Church Slavonic may have, I disagree. It is
"that you may know and may be known." The "believe" is a translation of
a variant reading and therefore a different text. Despite the fact that
the normally reliable Sinaiticus has the reading PISTEUHTE I would not
accept it.
george
gfsomsel
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