[B-Greek] hINA GNWTE KAI GINWSKHTE Jn. 10:38

George F Somsel gfsomsel at juno.com
Sun Feb 12 12:26:14 EST 2006


On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:47:50 -0500 frjsilver at optonline.net writes:
> Dear Friends --
> 
> Etymological similarities notwithstanding, these two verbs really 
> don't mean the same thing.
> 
> Ancient translations retain the subjunctive but offer distinctly 
> different meanings.  Both Latin and Church Slavonic, e.g., render 
> this as 'that you may know and believe'.
> 
> Hope this helps a little.
> 
> Monk James
> Orthodox Church in America
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: RRedden604 at aol.com
> Date: Thursday, February 2, 2006 8:27 pm
> Subject: [B-Greek] hINA GNWTE KAI GINWSKHTE  Jn. 10:38
> 
> > THAT YOU MAY KNOW AND YOU MAY KNOW  Jn. 10:38
> > 
> > hINA GNWTE KAI GINWSKHTE hOTI EN EMOI hO PATHR KAGW EN TW PATRI.
> > 
> > I am interested in getting everyone's insights into this hINA 
> > clause in  John 
> > 10:38. We first have a subjunctive aorist active second person 
> > plural  
> > followed by a subjunctive present active second person plural. 
> > Both could be  
> > translated "you may know."   The textual history seems to indicate 
> 
> > some discomfort 
> > with a double "you may know" with some copyists omitting it (if  
> > it was 
> > older), or others replacing it with PISTEUSHTE (if GINWSKHTE was  
> 
> > older).   I have 
> > never been satisfied with the standard  translations.  Is there 
> > more here?
> > 
> > Rob Redden
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Despite what the Latin and Church Slavonic may have, I disagree.  It is
"that you may know and may be known."  The "believe" is a translation of
a variant reading and therefore a different text.  Despite the fact that
the normally reliable Sinaiticus has the reading PISTEUHTE I would not
accept it.

george
gfsomsel
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