[B-Greek] hINA GNWTE KAI GINWSKHTE Jn. 10:38

George F Somsel gfsomsel at juno.com
Sun Feb 12 13:27:24 EST 2006


On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:26:14 -0500 George F Somsel <gfsomsel at juno.com>
writes:
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:47:50 -0500 frjsilver at optonline.net writes:
> > Dear Friends --
> > 
> > Etymological similarities notwithstanding, these two verbs really 
> 
> > don't mean the same thing.
> > 
> > Ancient translations retain the subjunctive but offer distinctly 
> > different meanings.  Both Latin and Church Slavonic, e.g., render 
> 
> > this as 'that you may know and believe'.
> > 
> > Hope this helps a little.
> > 
> > Monk James
> > Orthodox Church in America
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: RRedden604 at aol.com
> > Date: Thursday, February 2, 2006 8:27 pm
> > Subject: [B-Greek] hINA GNWTE KAI GINWSKHTE  Jn. 10:38
> > 
> > > THAT YOU MAY KNOW AND YOU MAY KNOW  Jn. 10:38
> > > 
> > > hINA GNWTE KAI GINWSKHTE hOTI EN EMOI hO PATHR KAGW EN TW 
> PATRI.
> > > 
> > > I am interested in getting everyone's insights into this hINA 
> > > clause in  John 
> > > 10:38. We first have a subjunctive aorist active second person 
> > > plural  
> > > followed by a subjunctive present active second person plural. 
> > > Both could be  
> > > translated "you may know."   The textual history seems to 
> indicate 
> > 
> > > some discomfort 
> > > with a double "you may know" with some copyists omitting it (if  
> 
> > > it was 
> > > older), or others replacing it with PISTEUSHTE (if GINWSKHTE was 
>  
> > 
> > > older).   I have 
> > > never been satisfied with the standard  translations.  Is there 
> 
> > > more here?
> > > 
> > > Rob Redden
> __________________
> 
> Despite what the Latin and Church Slavonic may have, I disagree.  It 
> is
> "that you may know and may be known."  The "believe" is a 
> translation of
> a variant reading and therefore a different text.  Despite the fact 
> that
> the normally reliable Sinaiticus has the reading PISTEUHTE I would 
> not
> accept it.
> 
> george
> gfsomsel
 ___________

It has been called to my attention that I responded too hastily.  I made
the error of reading GINWSKHTE as a passive form when it is actually a
present active.  It therefore is "that you may know and may understand." 


My apologies.  Act in haste, repent at leisure

george
gfsomsel
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