[B-Greek] hINA GNWTE KAI GINWSKHTE Jn. 10:38
George F Somsel
gfsomsel at juno.com
Sun Feb 12 13:27:24 EST 2006
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:26:14 -0500 George F Somsel <gfsomsel at juno.com>
writes:
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:47:50 -0500 frjsilver at optonline.net writes:
> > Dear Friends --
> >
> > Etymological similarities notwithstanding, these two verbs really
>
> > don't mean the same thing.
> >
> > Ancient translations retain the subjunctive but offer distinctly
> > different meanings. Both Latin and Church Slavonic, e.g., render
>
> > this as 'that you may know and believe'.
> >
> > Hope this helps a little.
> >
> > Monk James
> > Orthodox Church in America
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: RRedden604 at aol.com
> > Date: Thursday, February 2, 2006 8:27 pm
> > Subject: [B-Greek] hINA GNWTE KAI GINWSKHTE Jn. 10:38
> >
> > > THAT YOU MAY KNOW AND YOU MAY KNOW Jn. 10:38
> > >
> > > hINA GNWTE KAI GINWSKHTE hOTI EN EMOI hO PATHR KAGW EN TW
> PATRI.
> > >
> > > I am interested in getting everyone's insights into this hINA
> > > clause in John
> > > 10:38. We first have a subjunctive aorist active second person
> > > plural
> > > followed by a subjunctive present active second person plural.
> > > Both could be
> > > translated "you may know." The textual history seems to
> indicate
> >
> > > some discomfort
> > > with a double "you may know" with some copyists omitting it (if
>
> > > it was
> > > older), or others replacing it with PISTEUSHTE (if GINWSKHTE was
>
> >
> > > older). I have
> > > never been satisfied with the standard translations. Is there
>
> > > more here?
> > >
> > > Rob Redden
> __________________
>
> Despite what the Latin and Church Slavonic may have, I disagree. It
> is
> "that you may know and may be known." The "believe" is a
> translation of
> a variant reading and therefore a different text. Despite the fact
> that
> the normally reliable Sinaiticus has the reading PISTEUHTE I would
> not
> accept it.
>
> george
> gfsomsel
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It has been called to my attention that I responded too hastily. I made
the error of reading GINWSKHTE as a passive form when it is actually a
present active. It therefore is "that you may know and may understand."
My apologies. Act in haste, repent at leisure
george
gfsomsel
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