[B-Greek] Mk 9:1 ELHLUQUIAN

frjsilver at optonline.net frjsilver at optonline.net
Fri Jan 13 20:26:12 EST 2006


Dear Friends --

I support Prof. Conrad's approach to this line, and I would render it as: 'Some will not taste death before they see that the reign of God has arrived in power.'

It's also possible, given some prechristian Greek examples, to suggest that the 'reign of God' will have come *into* power before those so blessed to see it have died.

Peace and blessings to all.

Monk James

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at ioa.com>
Date: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:52 pm
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Mk 9:1 ELHLUQUIAN

> 
> On Jan 13, 2006, at 7:44 PM, Webb wrote:
> 
> > What does the group think of rendering the verse this way:
> >
> > hOITINES OU MH GEUSWNTAI QANATOU hEWS AN IDWSIN THN BASILEIAN 
> TOU QEOU
> > ELHLUTHUIAN EN DUNAMEI
> >
> > ".who won't ever die/taste death until they've seen the kingdom 
> of  
> > God come
> > in/with power"
> >
> >  The idea of the perfect tense (past action, present/ongoing 
> resultant> condition) works here in English through the verb to 
> see on behalf  
> > of the
> > verb to come (ERCOMAI)-they've seen it come, which implies that 
> it  
> > has come
> > and stayed. Or does ELHLUQUIAN almost have the force, "they've 
> seen  
> > the
> > kingdom of God *present* in/with power"?
> 
> Others may not I agree, but I would hold to two points about this 
> text:
> (1) The participle functioning with the noun BASILEIAN as object 
> of a  
> verb of perception (IDWSIN) means "see that the kingdom of God HAS 
> 
> ARRIVED"
> 
> (2) The participle ELHLUQUIAN is significant as indicator that 
> what  
> these fortunate persons will see is a FAIT ACCOMPLI.
> 
> 
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
> cwconrad2 at mac.com
> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
> 
 




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