Dear list, Someone has proposed the following translation for Romans 4:1: TI OUN EROUMEN hEURHKENAI ABRAAM TON PROPATORA hHMWN KATA SARKA What then shall we say, Have we found Abraham to be our forefather according to the flesh? HH: What do you think of that translation? Is that a natural reading of the Greek words? Yours, Harold Holmyard