[B-Greek] Romans 4:1

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Wed Jul 26 08:02:17 EDT 2006


Begin forwarded message:

> From: "gfsomsel at juno.com" <gfsomsel at juno.com>
> Date: July 26, 2006 10:35:25 AM EDT
> To: hholmyard at ont.com, cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Romans 4:1
>
> Carl,
>
> Would you please post this. My problem is still not resolved.
>
> If you take a look at Jn 1.15 it has
>
> hOUTOS HN hON EIPON
>
> The object concerning which something is said is in the acc  
> (PROPATORA is acc so ABRAAM though indeclinable must also be  
> considered acc).  On the other hand, in Lk 17.21 where EREW is used  
> to introduce direct speach (after a couple of of demonstrative  
> expressions) the quotation is in normal format with the nominative  
> subject
>
> IDOU GAR hH BASILEIA TOU QEOU ENTOS hUMWN ESTIN
>
> It would seem that TI with a form of EIPW was used regularly to  
> introduce a question CONCERNING something.
>
>
> george
> gfsomsel
> _________
>
> -- Harold Holmyard <hholmyard at ont.com> wrote:
> Dear list,
>
> Someone has proposed the following translation for Romans 4:1:
>
> TI OUN EROUMEN hEURHKENAI ABRAAM TON PROPATORA hHMWN KATA SARKA
>
> What then shall we say, Have we found Abraham to be our forefather
> according to the flesh?
>
> HH: What do you think of that translation? Is that a natural  
> reading of the Greek words?




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