[B-Greek] Romans 4:1

Harold Holmyard hholmyard at ont.com
Wed Jul 26 08:22:00 EDT 2006


Dear list,

>>From: "gfsomsel at juno.com" <gfsomsel at juno.com>
>>Date: July 26, 2006 10:35:25 AM EDT
>>To: hholmyard at ont.com, cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
>>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Romans 4:1
>>
>>Carl,
>>
>>Would you please post this. My problem is still not resolved.
>>
>>If you take a look at Jn 1.15 it has
>>
>>hOUTOS HN hON EIPON
>>
>>The object concerning which something is said is in the acc  
>>(PROPATORA is acc so ABRAAM though indeclinable must also be  
>>considered acc).  On the other hand, in Lk 17.21 where EREW is used  
>>to introduce direct speach (after a couple of of demonstrative  
>>expressions) the quotation is in normal format with the nominative  
>>subject
>>
>>IDOU GAR hH BASILEIA TOU QEOU ENTOS hUMWN ESTIN
>>
>>It would seem that TI with a form of EIPW was used regularly to  
>>introduce a question CONCERNING something.
>>    
>>

HH: George, I take you to mean that you find the proposed translation 
unlikely:

TI OUN EROUMEN hEURHKENAI ABRAAM TON PROPATORA hHMWN KATA SARKA

What then shall we say, Have we found Abraham to be our forefather
according to the flesh?


HH: Another person on another list said that he found the translation 
impossible. I tend to find it impossible, too, Perhaps one could think 
of the words as:

What then shall we say -- to have found Abraham to be our forefather 
according to the flesh?

HH: But it seems very odd to me. What do people with more experience in 
Greek feel?

Yours,
Harold Holmyard
 



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