[B-Greek] "attain" for "find"?

Fridolin Janzen fjanzen at gmx.net
Thu Jul 27 09:24:55 EDT 2006


What if the word “find”, “heuriskō” would simply be translated with one of its secondary meanings (according to Thayer: obtain, attain), instead of with its primary meaning, as the italian Riveduta Luzzi does, using “attained”:

 

Rom 4:1  Che diremo dunque che l'antenato nostro Abramo abbia ottenuto secondo la carne? 

 

 

"What then shall we say (that) Abraham, our forefather, attained according to the flesh?”

 

According to the flesh Abraham attained the Middle East conflict. According to faith he attained the Lord’ righteousness.

 

Pastor Fridolin Janzen

 

 

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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:53:39 -0500

From: Harold Holmyard <hholmyard at ont.com>

Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Romans 4:1

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Dear Stephen,

 

>Yes, since ABRAAM is indeclinable it "could" serve as subject for 

>hEURHKENAI, but then the sentence would make little or no sense.  (1) "What 

>then shall we say (that) Abraham finds our forefather according to flesh?" 

>or (2) "What then shall we say (that) Abraham, our forefather, finds 

>according to flesh?" We can certainly rule out (2) since hEURHKENAI is 

>transitive, but there is nothing to provide an object.  And (1) is just 

>nonsensical, since Abraham obviously is the forefather under issue.  

>Therefore, I think one can rule out ABRAAM as subject for hEURHKENAI.

> 

>  

> 

HH: Maybe I just don't understand you, but option 2 above is that taken 

by nearly every major translation of the Bible and makes perfect sense. 

The object of the transitive verb is "what," since this is a question. 

The object is TI.

 

TI OUN EROUMEN hEURHKENAI ABRAAM TON PROPATORA hHMWN KATA SARKA

 

 

However, the textual evidence favors to a consider extent that 

"according to the flesh" goes with "forefather":

 

"What then shall we say (that) Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found?

 

 

Yours,

Harold Holmyard

 

 

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