[B-Greek] DILOGOS

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 6 08:37:19 EDT 2006


There is also a citation in BDAG of Barnabas 5.4.  I fail to find the word there.  Is there perhaps an alterntive numbering?  
   
  DIABOLOUS as a contrast to SEMNAS would likely mean "slanderous" though I wonder if the term DILOGOS in contrast to SEMNOS might mean "jocular" (or "punning") as opposed to "serious" in 1 Tim 3.8.
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"Dave Smith (REL110, 211,212)" <rel21x at charter.net> wrote:
  Gentlemen and Scholars,

Would DILOGOS then be parallel to DIGLWSSOS and not DIPSUCOS? The English
idioms you mention are circumlocutions for liar, without the connotation of
doubting. Is this Greek term just a synonym for PSEUDHS, or is there the
idea of slander which appears in the parallel of 1 Tim. 3:11, where the
contrast to SEMNAS is DIABOLOUS?

Dave Smith
Hudson, NC
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Dear Friends --

In English, we have such expressions as 'double speak' and 'talking out of
both sides of his mouth', 'speaks with forked tongue', etc.

I think DILOGOS can pretty much find a place in that semantic field.

Peace and blessings to all.

Father James Silver

Monk James
Orthodox Church in America

----- Original Message -----
From: Harold Holmyard 
Date: Monday, June 5, 2006 5:59 pm
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] DILOGOS

> Dear Dave,
>
> >I find DILOGOS in 3:8 and Polycarp to the Philippians 5:2. Both
> contexts are
> >pastoral and both refer directly to the office of
> deacons/ministers. In
> >these two context, it is a negative requirement. i.e.
> deacons/ministers are
> >not to be this way. When I first noticed this post, I recalled the
> >prohibitions in the Epistle of James and very often in Hermas to
> not be
> >DIPSUCOS, double-souled or doubting/uncommitted. Living according
> to divine
> >reason (LOGOS) is a prominent theme as far back as Justin Martyr,
> and may
> >reach back through the Johannine school and Philo, in religious
> circles.>Justin wished to trace it to Plato and Socrates. DILOGOS
> characterizes one
> >who is not serious about matters at hand (SEMNOS 1 Tim 3:8). Both
> Polycarp>and 1 Tim. speak of money, shameful gain in one and love
> of silver in the
> >other. It seems much like a person who can not make up his mind,
> whether to
> >peruse the ministry for personal gain or the glory of God. In
> this, it may
> >be parallel to DIPSUCOS. The verbal form, DIALOGISMOS carries the
> idea of
> >doubt, and so does DIPSUCOS.
> >
> >These are my preliminary thoughts on this word and, I hope, a
> springboard>for the insight of others.
> >
> >
>
> HH: LSJ offers "doubtful"and "double-tongued" and cites 1 Tim 3:8.
> The
> word means "double-tongued" or "insincere" according to BAGD,
> citing Pol
> 5:2 and Moulton & Milligan. The NET Bible translates it as "two-
> faced"
> and has this note:
>
> Or “insincere,” “deceitful”; Grk “speaking double.”
>
> Yours,
> Harold Holmyard
>
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