[B-Greek] DILOGOS
Benjamin Pehrson
benjamin_pehrson at sil.org
Tue Jun 6 11:45:14 EDT 2006
I agree, and in this way the DI- in DILOGOS functions similarly to the way
it functions in DIPSUCOS, 'double-minded' and DIGLWSSOS, 'double-tongued'.
All three of these refer in some way to the idea of wavering in faithfulness
to a single course of speech or thought. But I don't think DIPSUCOS has the
connotation of 'doubting'. Some may think that DIPSUCOS has this connotation
in James 1:8 where it is related to the person who is DIAKRINOMENOS
(traditionally translated 'doubting'). But DIAKRINOMENOS is better
understood in terms of divided loyalty, not uncertainty. It often occurs in
contrast to the faithfulness of PISTIS. In James such divided loyalty is a
major theme of the whole letter, while doubting (uncertainty) does not occur
at all. See the December 2005 article in JETS by David DeGraaf, "Some Doubts
about Doubt: The New Testament Use of DIAKRINO," pp. 733-755.
Benjamin Pehrson
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> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 8:42 PM
> To: Dave Smith (REL110, 211,212)
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> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] DILOGOS
>
> Not slander, just deception, 'double talk' -- saying one thing but meaning
> another.
>
> Father James
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Smith (REL110, 211,212)"
> Date: Monday, June 5, 2006 7:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] DILOGOS
> To: B-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>
> > Gentlemen and Scholars,
> >
> > Would DILOGOS then be parallel to DIGLWSSOS and not DIPSUCOS?
> > The English
> > idioms you mention are circumlocutions for liar, without the
> > connotation of
> > doubting. Is this Greek term just a synonym for PSEUDHS, or is
> > there the
> > idea of slander which appears in the parallel of 1 Tim. 3:11,
> > where the
> > contrast to SEMNAS is DIABOLOUS?
> >
> > Dave Smith
> > Hudson, NC
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To: "Harold Holmyard"
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 18:39
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] DILOGOS
> >
> >
> > Dear Friends --
> >
> > In English, we have such expressions as 'double speak' and
> > 'talking out of
> > both sides of his mouth', 'speaks with forked tongue', etc.
> >
> > I think DILOGOS can pretty much find a place in that semantic field.
> >
> > Peace and blessings to all.
> >
> > Father James Silver
> >
> > Monk James
> > Orthodox Church in America
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Harold Holmyard
> > Date: Monday, June 5, 2006 5:59 pm
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] DILOGOS
> >
> > > Dear Dave,
> > >
> > > >I find DILOGOS in 3:8 and Polycarp to the Philippians 5:2. Both
> > > contexts are
> > > >pastoral and both refer directly to the office of
> > > deacons/ministers. In
> > > >these two context, it is a negative requirement. i.e.
> > > deacons/ministers are
> > > >not to be this way. When I first noticed this post, I
> > recalled the
> > > >prohibitions in the Epistle of James and very often in Hermas to
> > > not be
> > > >DIPSUCOS, double-souled or doubting/uncommitted. Living according
> > > to divine
> > > >reason (LOGOS) is a prominent theme as far back as Justin Martyr,
> > > and may
> > > >reach back through the Johannine school and Philo, in religious
> > > circles.>Justin wished to trace it to Plato and Socrates. DILOGOS
> > > characterizes one
> > > >who is not serious about matters at hand (SEMNOS 1 Tim 3:8). Both
> > > Polycarp>and 1 Tim. speak of money, shameful gain in one and love
> > > of silver in the
> > > >other. It seems much like a person who can not make up his mind,
> > > whether to
> > > >peruse the ministry for personal gain or the glory of God. In
> > > this, it may
> > > >be parallel to DIPSUCOS. The verbal form, DIALOGISMOS carries the
> > > idea of
> > > >doubt, and so does DIPSUCOS.
> > > >
> > > >These are my preliminary thoughts on this word and, I hope, a
> > > springboard>for the insight of others.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > HH: LSJ offers "doubtful"and "double-tongued" and cites 1 Tim 3:8.
> > > The
> > > word means "double-tongued" or "insincere" according to BAGD,
> > > citing Pol
> > > 5:2 and Moulton & Milligan. The NET Bible translates it as
> > "two-
> > > faced"
> > > and has this note:
> > >
> > > Or "insincere," "deceitful"; Grk "speaking double."
> > >
> > > Yours,
> > > Harold Holmyard
> > >
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