[B-Greek] ? mentor for PARAKLHTOS

Marion Fox mrfox1 at gmail.com
Fri Jun 9 12:50:37 EDT 2006


I apologize for not following the rules of the list. I shall follow them in
the future.

BAG writes: "Accordingly the Latin translators commonly rendered it, in its
NT occurrences,m with 'advocatus' ... But the technical mng. 'lawyer',
'attorney' is rare ..." Thayer writes: "*one who pleads another's cause
before a judge, a pleader, counsel for defense, legal assistant; an advocate
*." Moulton and Milligan write: "orig. 'one called in' to support, hence
'advocate,' 'pleader,' 'a friend of the accused person, called to spak to
his character, or othewise enlist the sympathy of the judges'
Now, I realize that these writers (and other writers [TDNT etc.] also admit
to this usage) admit this usage of the word PARAKLHTOS, they argue from
context that it does not have this meaning in Jn. 14-16. Their arguments
were contextual arguments, I replied with contextual arguments.

I apologize for doing this and will not do it again.

Your servant,

Marion R. Fox



On 6/8/06, Tunç SABUNCU <tsabuncu at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> I see, so Jesus is a Mentor and he says that God will send another Mentor.
> That implies that Jesus himself is a mantor. Even we can imagine that he
> is not forcibly the first?
> according to John's Gospel (13-14 if i'm not wrong)
> Do you agree with that?
>
>
>
>
>
> > Message du 07/06/06 22:37
> > De : "Fridolin Janzen"
> > A : b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> > Copie à :
> > Objet : [B-Greek] PARAKLHTOS
> >
> > I am working on a Portuguese New Testament translation and looked for a
> long
> > time for the ideal word for PARAKLHTOS. We have the transliteration
> > "paracleto" in Portuguese. I could use a footnote and explain the term,
> but
> > preferred to use the word "mentor". I seems to covers all possibilities
> for
> > PARAKLHTOS. A mentor encourages, counsels, instructs, guides, defends,
> etc.
> > The Oxford Dictionary defines mentor as:
> >
> > mentor
> >
> > . noun 1 an experienced and trusted adviser. 2 an experienced person in
> an
> > organization or institution who trains and counsels new employees or
> > students.
> >
> > - ORIGIN from the name of Mentor, the adviser of the young Telemachus in
> > Homer's Odyssey.
> >
> http://www.askoxford.com/results/?view=dict&field-12668446=mentor&branch=138
> > 42570&textsearchtype=exact&sortorder=score%2Cname
> >
> > I found an interesting private definition in the International Coach
> > Academy:
> >
> > A Mentor
> >
> > Usually occupies a senior-level assignment of authority and influence
> within
> > the organization
> > Knows the organization/its structure, policies, and processes (both
> spoken
> > and unspoken)
> > Has a broad view and multiple working experiences
> > Knows the "politics" of the organization
> > Shares knowledge and experiences
> > Helps identify developmental opportunities within the organization and
> "open
> > doors"
> > Knows when to interpret and when to pass on wisdom
> > Generally TELLS - advises, instructs, suggests, gives opinions
> > AND... an effective mentor also knows when and how to coach
> >
> > http://www.icoachacademy.com/coaching/mentoring.html?source=mentor
> >
> > Do you suppose this to be a possible word for PARAKLHTOS?
> >
> >
> > Pastor Fridolin Janzen
> > fjanzen at gmx.net
> > www.criacionismo.com (link to the NT)
> >
> >
> >
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