[B-Greek] ? mentor for PARAKLHTOS
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Sat Jun 17 20:17:01 EDT 2006
Dear Friends --
I've been thinking a lot about PARAKLHTOS, especially since last Sunday was the holy Fiftieth Day for us orthodox, and the following day the Monday of the Holy Spirit, and I've heard this word over and over again for the last seven days.
I'm fairly certain that 'mentor' is excluded, among other renderings, and that 'Comforter' and 'Consoler' are much closer to the meaning of this Greek designation of the Holy Spirit.
Consider PS 76:3c : APHNHNATO **PARAKLHQHNAI** hH YUCH MOU
and MT 5:4 : MAKARIOI hOI PEINWNTES hOTI AUTOI **PARAKLHQHSONTAI**
These are passive forms, but I can't detect a shift in the semantic value of the 'comfort' quotient in the change of voice. There are certainly some more subtle and nuanced meanings available, but I think this is pretty much the big picture.
I agree with Prof. Conrad that 'Paraclete' is not a translation; I'd go further and suggest that there are lots of other words in need of translation, such as 'Pentecost'. We're just not always alert to them.
Peace and blessings to all.
Father James
----- Original Message -----
From: Marion Fox <mrfox1 at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, June 9, 2006 12:50 pm
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] ? mentor for PARAKLHTOS
> I apologize for not following the rules of the list. I shall
> follow them in
> the future.
>
> BAG writes: "Accordingly the Latin translators commonly rendered
> it, in its
> NT occurrences,m with 'advocatus' ... But the technical mng. 'lawyer',
> 'attorney' is rare ..." Thayer writes: "*one who pleads another's
> causebefore a judge, a pleader, counsel for defense, legal
> assistant; an advocate
> *." Moulton and Milligan write: "orig. 'one called in' to support,
> hence'advocate,' 'pleader,' 'a friend of the accused person,
> called to spak to
> his character, or othewise enlist the sympathy of the judges'
> Now, I realize that these writers (and other writers [TDNT etc.]
> also admit
> to this usage) admit this usage of the word PARAKLHTOS, they argue
> fromcontext that it does not have this meaning in Jn. 14-16. Their
> argumentswere contextual arguments, I replied with contextual
> arguments.
> I apologize for doing this and will not do it again.
>
> Your servant,
>
> Marion R. Fox
>
>
>
> On 6/8/06, Tunç SABUNCU <tsabuncu at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> >
> > I see, so Jesus is a Mentor and he says that God will send
> another Mentor.
> > That implies that Jesus himself is a mantor. Even we can imagine
> that he
> > is not forcibly the first?
> > according to John's Gospel (13-14 if i'm not wrong)
> > Do you agree with that?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Message du 07/06/06 22:37
> > > De : "Fridolin Janzen"
> > > A : b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Copie à :
> > > Objet : [B-Greek] PARAKLHTOS
> > >
> > > I am working on a Portuguese New Testament translation and
> looked for a
> > long
> > > time for the ideal word for PARAKLHTOS. We have the
> transliteration> > "paracleto" in Portuguese. I could use a
> footnote and explain the term,
> > but
> > > preferred to use the word "mentor". I seems to covers all
> possibilities> for
> > > PARAKLHTOS. A mentor encourages, counsels, instructs, guides,
> defends,> etc.
> > > The Oxford Dictionary defines mentor as:
> > >
> > > mentor
> > >
> > > . noun 1 an experienced and trusted adviser. 2 an experienced
> person in
> > an
> > > organization or institution who trains and counsels new
> employees or
> > > students.
> > >
> > > - ORIGIN from the name of Mentor, the adviser of the young
> Telemachus in
> > > Homer's Odyssey.
> > >
> > http://www.askoxford.com/results/?view=dict&field-
> 12668446=mentor&branch=138> >
> 42570&textsearchtype=exact&sortorder=score%2Cname> >
> > > I found an interesting private definition in the International
> Coach> > Academy:
> > >
> > > A Mentor
> > >
> > > Usually occupies a senior-level assignment of authority and
> influence> within
> > > the organization
> > > Knows the organization/its structure, policies, and processes
> (both> spoken
> > > and unspoken)
> > > Has a broad view and multiple working experiences
> > > Knows the "politics" of the organization
> > > Shares knowledge and experiences
> > > Helps identify developmental opportunities within the
> organization and
> > "open
> > > doors"
> > > Knows when to interpret and when to pass on wisdom
> > > Generally TELLS - advises, instructs, suggests, gives opinions
> > > AND... an effective mentor also knows when and how to coach
> > >
> > > http://www.icoachacademy.com/coaching/mentoring.html?source=mentor
> > >
> > > Do you suppose this to be a possible word for PARAKLHTOS?
> > >
> > >
> > > Pastor Fridolin Janzen
> > > fjanzen at gmx.net
> > > www.criacionismo.com (link to the NT)
> > >
> > >
> > >
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