[B-Greek] IPeter 5:5 Implicit hUPOTAGHTE

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Thu Jun 15 21:10:46 EDT 2006


On Jun 15, 2006, at 7:16 PM, Webb Mealy wrote:

> Translators of the KJV and editors of the ASV and RV seem to have  
> liked that
> reading, so there must be something to recommend it, but it seems  
> choppy to
> me. I checked Lattimore, who often shows a deep feel for the flow  
> of Greek,
> and he follows the more common interpretation. I'd go with Lattimore,
> myself.

While I won't say that Lattimore is wrong, it strikes me as  
questionable procedure to settle one's understanding of the text  
strictly in terms of consulting translations. WHAT IS IT then, that  
recommends this reading to translators of the KJV and ASV and RV? I  
should think that some arguments ought to be adduced for a preferred  
translation so that one need not rely strictly upon "feelings."

I think it is perfectly reasonable to assume hUPOTAGHTE to be  
understood with PANTES DE ALLHLOIS, but what I find upsetting about  
the suggested restructuring of the text is the abrupt new sentence  
conjectured to begin with THN TAPEINOFROSUNHN EGKOMBWSASQE. If we had  
the participle (EGKOMBSAMENOI) instead of the imperative  
EGKOMBWSASQE, it would be easier to link the participial phrase to  
what precedes. But I don't think a new sentence THN TAPEINOFROSUNHN  
EGKOMBWSASQE can begin without some particle linking the new clause  
to what precedes. Now if that's what Lattimore was thinking, his  
choice might well be justified. But I really would prefer to see  
preferences of one way of reading a text over another or others to be  
based upon a rationale rather than a feeling.


>
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>> Subject: [B-Greek] IPeter 5:5 Implicit hUPOTAGHTE
>>
>> Some input on 1Pet 5:5
>>
>> hOMOIWS, NEWTEROI, hUPOTAGHTE PRESBUTEROIS; PANTES DE
>> ALLHLOIS THN
>> TAPEINOPHROSUNHN EGKOMBWSASQE, hOTI . . .
>>
>> Is it not possible that this could READ as hOMOIWS, NEWTEROI,  
>> hUPOTAGHTE
>> PRESBUTEROIS; PANTES DE [hUPOTAGHTE] ALLHLOIS[.] THN
>> TAPEINOPHROSUNHN
>> EGKOMBWSASQE, hOTI . . .
>>
>> Likewise, you younger men, be subject to the older men; for that  
>> matter,
> all
>> of you [be subject] to one another.  Clothe yourselves with  
>> humility,  for
>> God . . .
>>
>> Jon R. Venema, PhD
>>
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Carl W. Conrad
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