[B-Greek] OIDA vs. GINOSKO

Dave Smith (REL110, 211,212) rel21x at charter.net
Fri May 26 23:04:18 EDT 2006


Carlton,

I wonder if we might consider that Romans 5:3 is actually experiential
knowledge, at least it may be the case for St. Paul: EIDOTES hOTI hH QLIPSIS
hUPOMONHN KATERGAZETAI, hH DE hUPOMONH DOKIMHN, hH DE DOKIMH ELPIDA. It may
be the that we know that hardtimes generate perseverance in some, but
definitely not in all. But St. Paul knew from his own experience that his
hard times had generated a greater perseverance in his own life.2 Cor. 1:7
may carry the same idea. It think this may be where OIDA may be more than
data as also Romans 6:16; 7:14, 18; 8:26. Now when St. Paul uses the phrase
hH OUK OIDATE, he is most often referring to data, and this is very common
in I Corinthians. There is also the use of the two together, such as OIDAMEN
hOTI PANTES GNOSIS ECOMEN (I Cor. 8:1). In this case, GNOSIS is data. OIDA
can approach the connotation of understanding, as in both references in I
Cor. 14:11, 16. OIDA can also refer to having a acquaintance, such as
knowing a person. This could be data, in the sense of knowing about a
person, but it is more likely experiential (2 Cor. 5:16; 12:2, 3). It is
also used for knowing God, a concept which must exceed raw data (Gal.4:8). I
will cease and desist, but there may be NT examples where OIDA is also
experiential knowledge, just as GINWSKW.

Judges 21:11(LXX) uses OIDA in context of sexual relations: PASAN GUNAIKA
EIDUIAN KOITHN ARSENOS.


Dave Smith
Hudson, NC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carlton Winbery" <winberycl at earthlink.net>
To: <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 21:37
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] OIDA vs. GINOSKO


> >Gentlemen (Ladies too if present:)
> >
> >It has been many an eon since I studied the Koine.  As a result, I have
lost
> >most of what I gained in those four years.  So - this email comes to you
> >with the request that you make the distinction between the two terms
> >appearing in the subject line.
> >
> >Your scholarly input will meet with profuse thanks.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Robert C. Quesenbury (ancient new member)
> rquesenbury at triad.rr.com
>
> This question would be better asked concerning specific texts in
> which the words are used. For good examples of such context see Louw
> & Nida, Greek English Dictionary.
>
> Generally GINWSKW implies experiencing what is known. It can even
> refer to having sexual relations as in the birth narratives in
> Matthew. I am unaware of such a use of OIDA. OIDA indicates knowing
> data factually. However, there are many places in the GNT where the
> two words are used interchangeably and must be studied in context.,
>
> Carlton Winbery
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