[B-Greek] Judges 21:11 LXX Correction

Albert Pietersma albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Sat May 27 13:18:02 EDT 2006


Beware, however, since Judges is translation literature, and in 
translation literature what may be more important than a good 
contextual fit (=horizontal dimension) is what Hebrew  root is being  
represented (=vertical dimension).  By the looks of 21:11, the B text 
prefers OIDA for Hebrew YD( while the A text prefers GINWSKW. But does 
that tell us anything about their lexical meaning??
Al
On May 27, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:

>
> On May 27, 2006, at 6:49 AM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>
>> On May 26, 2006, at 11:04 PM, Dave Smith (REL110, 211,212) wrote:
>>
>>> OIDA can also refer to having a acquaintance, such as
>>> knowing a person. This could be data, in the sense of knowing about a
>>> person, but it is more likely experiential (2 Cor. 5:16; 12:2, 3).
>>> It is
>>> also used for knowing God, a concept which must exceed raw data
>>> (Gal.4:8). I
>>> will cease and desist, but there may be NT examples where OIDA is
>>> also
>>> experiential knowledge, just as GINWSKW.
>>>
>>> Judges 21:11(LXX) uses OIDA in context of sexual relations: PASAN
>>> GUNAIKA
>>> EIDUIAN KOITHN ARSENOS.
>>
>> That's odd: my LXX reads 	PASAN GUNAIKA GINWSKOUSAN KOITHN ARSENOS
>>
>> here GINWSKW conveys Hebrew YaDHA'
>
> Dave Smith was right after all -- and so was I. the whole text of
> Judges 21:11
> has the same phrase twice, once with EIDUIAN and once with GINWSKOUSAN:
> :
>   KAI TOUTO POIHSETE PAN ARSEN KAI PASAN GUNAIKA
> EIDUIAN KOITHN ARSENOS ANAQEMATIEITE
> ^^^^^^^^
> TAS DE PARQENOUS PERIPOIHSESQE KAI EPOIHSAN hOUTWS
> KAI hOUTOS hO LOGOS hON POIHSETE PAN ARSENIKON
> KAI PASAN GUNAIKA GINWSKOUSAN KOITHN ARSENOS ANAQEMATIEITE
>                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> I think we'd certainly have to say that there is no distinction
> whatsoever in this verse
> between OIDA and GINWSKW.
>
>
> Carl W. Conrad
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