[B-Greek] future perfects in Matth. 18:18

Bert de Haan b_dehaan at sympatico.ca
Mon Oct 30 21:18:00 EST 2006




>From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
>To: Bert de Haan <b_dehaan at sympatico.ca>
>CC: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] future perfects in   Matth. 18:18
>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:33:06 -0500
>
>
>On Oct 30, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Bert de Haan wrote:
>
>>Matthew 18:18
>>AMHN LEGW hUMIN, hOSA EAN DHSHTE EPI THS GHS ESTAI DEDEMENA EN  OURANWi, 
>>KAI
>>hOSA EAN LUSHTE EPI THS GHS ESTAI LELUMENA EN OURANWi.
>>
>>My question is concerning the time relationship between the two  
>>subjunctives
>>(DHSHTE, LUSHTE) and the corresponding future perfects ( ESTAI  DEDEMENA,
>>ESTAI LELUMENA .)
>>Do these tenses say anything about when the binding in heaven  occurrs in
>>relation to when the binding took place on earth?
>>A different way of asking the same thing; When the Church binds  something 
>>on
>>earth, does Christ promise that this decision will be (future)  backed up 
>>in
>>heaven, or is he saying that the binding on earth (if it is done  
>>biblicaly
>>of course) is in agreement with what God has already decided  (perfect.)
>>I guess the difference can be expressed by translating the future  perfect
>>either as ...will be bound in heaven... or ...will have already  been 
>>bound
>>in heaven...
>
>See the archives for July 16-22, 1998 "A Question on Mathew 18.18"
>and Nov 19-20, 1998 "Estai dedemena (Mt. 18:18)"
>
>
>Carl W. Conrad
>Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
>cwconrad2 at mac.com
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>


Thanks.  That is exactly what I was looking for. My apologies for not 
checking the archives first.  It was not lazyness but forgetfulness.
BTW, instead of July 16-22 1998 it should read Aug. 16-22 1998.

Bert de Haan.





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