[B-Greek] Matthew 18:18

John B. Senterfitt millenia05 at earthlink.net
Tue Oct 31 13:48:18 EST 2006


Hello Forum,
This is my first mailing since joining the list, so please take this as a great big hello.

Bert de Hann wrote as follows. Bert, I do not find "future perfect" but rather participle perfects and at this point I am going to insert a snip from Burtons Moods and Tenses.
The Perfect Participle
 

154. The Perfect Participle is used of completed action. Like the Perfect Indicative it may have reference to the past action and the resulting state or only to the resulting state. The time of the resulting state is usually that of the principal verb. HA. 856; G. 1288.



({principal verb})? So does that make the subjunctive's the principal verbs? And if so it makes them function a lot like the "subject". Now that thinking may well not be according to the "Grammars" but it works for me.



And now here is what I get, in part, out of the verse: The "subjunctive's" having an iffy aspect and directed at us, seems to put the monkey of responsibility on our back.



I do not like bringing Rev 20:12 and 13 to bear on this but John's use of the preposition there translated "according" seems to put in focus every thing we have ever done.



I know I will get comment from the group and am looking forward to reading such.


Matthew 18:18
AMHN LEGW hUMIN, hOSA EAN DHSHTE EPI THS GHS ESTAI DEDEMENA EN OURANWi, KAI 
hOSA EAN LUSHTE EPI THS GHS ESTAI LELUMENA EN OURANWi.

My question is concerning the time relationship between the two subjunctives 
(DHSHTE, LUSHTE) and the corresponding future perfects ( ESTAI DEDEMENA, 
ESTAI LELUMENA .)
Do these tenses say anything about when the binding in heaven occurrs in 
relation to when the binding took place on earth?
A different way of asking the same thing; When the Church binds something on 
earth, does Christ promise that this decision will be (future) backed up in 
heaven, or is he saying that the binding on earth (if it is done biblicaly 
of course) is in agreement with what God has already decided (perfect.)
I guess the difference can be expressed by translating the future perfect 
either as ...will be bound in heaven... or ...will have already been bound 
in heaven...
Eagerly looking forward to a reply:
Bert de Haan

John B. Senterfitt 


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