[B-Greek] Fwd: Question Regarding John 4:11 kurios
Bryant J. Williams III
bjwvmw at com-pair.net
Sat Sep 2 20:02:27 EDT 2006
Dear Cindy,
How about OIKIADESPOTHS in I Timothy 5:14, BOULOMAI hOUV NEWTERAS GAMEIN,
TEKNOGONEIN, OIKIADESPOTEIN, MHDEMIAN AFORMHN DIDONAI TWi ANTIKEIMENWi
LOIDORIAS XARIN;...?
En Xristwi,
Rev Bryant J. Williams III
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From: "Elizabeth Kline" <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
To: "greek" <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Fwd: Question Regarding John 4:11 kurios
>
> On Sep 2, 2006, at 9:31 AM, cwestf5155 at aol.com wrote:
>
> > I don't know why the idea that "Sarah didn't just just say 'Mister'
> > to Abraham" is an a priori assumption, or maybe again, it is an
> > issue of the perceived semantic range of both KURIOS and "Mister"
> > and also how English has changed.
> >
> > "Mister" has been used to indicate honor and respect in English--
> > so some parents still train their children to refer to a friend as
> > "Mr. Jones" rather than by their first name. There was an old-
> > fashioned practice where spouses also referred to each other as
> > "Mr." and "Mrs." as a sign of respect and where a titled wife might
> > refer to her spouse as "Lord..." or by his last name alone which
> > had an honorific association--and Abraham's high status would
> > overlap here--after all, Sarah was called "princess".
> >
> > Such uses of "Mr." are clearly shifting, though I think we
> > recognize it when we see it.
> >
> > Titles that indicate honor and respect collocate with authority,
> > but the use of KURIOS does not always convey authority, so that is
> > not part of its minimal definition--it has to be inferred from the
> > context.
>
> Cindy,
>
> This reminds me of another title which is difficult to render into
> current English.
> DESPOINA the feminine equivalent of DESPOTHS is used with the names
> of goddesses.
> Lady Artemis or Mistress Artemis both fail to communicate in
> contemporary English. Do we have a term for a female in a position of
> authority which could serve for DESPOINA? Queen Artemis doesn't
> really work either.
>
>
> Elizabeth Kline
>
>
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