[B-Greek] Mark 9:42
Norman Wood
nandk.wood at blueyonder.co.uk
Wed Sep 13 15:38:01 EDT 2006
Hi Elizabeth,
Thank you I had not got to the bit in Luke yet I'm working my way through
Mark.I think that what you are saying is that the aspect idea has limits.
Wallace has not commented on this feature of this verse , are you or anyone
else aware of a grammar which covers the tenses in this verse?
Thanks again
Norman Wood
Scotland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Kline" <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
To: "Norman Wood" <nandk.wood at blueyonder.co.uk>
Cc: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Mark 9:42
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> On Jul 8, 2006, at 11:01 PM, Norman Wood wrote:
>
> > I am somewhat confused by the perfect tense in
> > EI PERIKEITAI MULOS ONIKOS PERI TON TRAXHLON AUTOU KAI BEBLETAI EIS
> > THN QALASSAN.
> > Wallace suggest generally that the perfect aspect is completed in
> > the past with continuing results, so is the sense that it is
> > something that should already be done and if so why not have
> > PERIKEITAI in the perfect as well.
>
> MARK 9:42 KAI hOS AN SKANDALISHi hENA TWN MIKRWN TOUTWN TWN
> PISTEUONTWN [EIS EME], KALON ESTIN AUTWi MALLON EI PERIKEITAI MULOS
> ONIKOS PERI TON TRACHLON AUTOU KAI BEBLHTAI EIS THN QALASSAN.
>
> LUKE 17:1 EIPEN DE PROS TOUS MAQHTAS AUTOU: ANENDEKTON ESTIN TOU TA
> SKANDALA MH ELQEIN, PLHN OUAI DI' hOU ERCETAI: 2 LUSITELEI AUTWi EI
> LIQOS MULIKOS PERIKEITAI PERI TON TRACHLON AUTOU KAI ERRIPTAI EIS THN
> QALASSAN H hINA SKANDALISHi TWN MIKRWN TOUTWN hENA.
>
> The same tense sequence of present followed by perfect is found in
> Luke 17:2 where ERRIPTAI is found for BEBLHTAI. Codex Bezae D* (first
> hand) reads PERIEKEITO ... ERIPTO in Lk 17:2 and PERIEKEITO ...
> EBLHQH in Mk 9:42. This suggests that some scribe had a problem with
> the tense sequence.
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> The aspect sequence in the received text (USB3/4 NA26/27) of Mk 9:42
> Luke 17:2 is imperfective ... stative. If we follow the "standard"
> aspect theory PERIKEITAI would be imperfective "incomplete action"
> and BEBLHTAI ERRIPTAI would be a stative "a given state of affairs".
>
> Now a question for the aspect theorists. In what sense is PERIKEITAI
> incomplete?
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> Elizabeth Kline
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