[B-Greek] KAI...DE in Jn 8:17

Iver Larsen iver_larsen at sil.org
Sat Sep 30 03:29:04 EDT 2006


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> So, would one translate 8:16 as
>
> "And even if I do judge, my judgment is true",

Yes, that would be find. RSV says: "Yet even if I do judge"
The KAI intensifies the EAN and DE is the normal "change" discourse connector. Usually DE is in the second position, but 
sometimes later when other elements are fronted.
>
> And 8:17 as
>
> "And even [though] it's written in your law that the testimony of two people
> is true, I am the one person testifying, and the Father who sent me is
> testifying.

I don't see any concessive "though" implied here. The KAI qualifies EN TWi NOMWi, so the idea is that not only is this 
something I am just saying, but it is based on what even/also your (own) law says. Since there are two witnesses, the 
witness is apparently considered valid according to their law. I don't know Hebrew legal tradition well enough to know 
whether one's own witness is allowed as one of the two.

Iver Larsen 




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