[B-Greek] "Your faith and hope are in God" (1 Pet. 1:21)
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Wed Apr 18 15:49:54 EDT 2007
On Apr 18, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Webb wrote:
> Granting the qualifications you mentioned, are you inclined to take
> the
> hWSTE as rather more logical in force (= "Therefore, in principle,
> your
> faith and hope are in God"), or causative/resultive (= "As a result
> of God's
> action in raising Christ from the dead and glorifying him, your
> faith and
> hope are in God")? Or are these two senses possible to read at the
> same
> time? If you're not happy with either one of those
> characterizations, how
> would you render the verse?
This probably won't satisfy you, but I think I would simply not endeavor
to disambiguate the ambiguous; I'd make it " ... so that your faith
and hope
are directed toward God."
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl W. Conrad [mailto:cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:13 AM
> To: Webb
> Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] "Your faith and hope are in God" (1 Pet. 1:21)
>
>
> On Apr 18, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Webb wrote:
>
>> TOUS DI AUTOU PISTOUS EIS QEON
>>
>> TON EGEIRANTA AUTON EK NEKRWN
>>
>> KAI DOXAN AUTWi DONTA
>>
>> hWSTE THN PISTIN hUMWN KAI ELPIDA EINAI EIS QEON
>>
>>
>>
>> Question: Before I looked at it closely in Greek, I'd always
>> assumed that
>> this is saying that the people's faith is ultimately in God-reading
>> the "so
>> that" as a logical "so that", rather than a causal "so that". But I'm
>> starting to think that the last phrase here is the equivalent of
>>
>>
>>
>> hINA THN PISTIN hUMWN KAI ELPIDA Hi/WSIN EIS QEON
>>
>>
>>
>> Sometimes hINA and hWSTE seem to straddle the telic/purposive and
>> ecbatic/resultive senses, and I'm wondering if this is one of them-
>> whether
>> Peter is saying that God has raised Jesus from the dead and given
>> him glory
>> so that (and with the end result that) you would come to believe in
>> God.
>>
>> Or is it as I had always assumed-that Peter is saying that belief
>> in Christ
>> ultimately resolves to belief in God? Or??
>
> I think "OR" is just about right here. Koine Greek has ceased to
> observe
> any clear distinction between purpose and result constructions. Jerry
> Reimer has just remarked regarding adnominal genitive phrases, so here
> we may well think that subjective factors are likely to decide our
> preference
> for reading a particular construction as one of purpose or one of
> result.
>
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
> cwconrad2 at mac.com
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>
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Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
cwconrad2 at mac.com
WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
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