[B-Greek] John 3:19 strange word order?

Bert de Haan b_dehaan at sympatico.ca
Tue Aug 21 02:10:23 EDT 2007


Thank you Kelton.  I have no problem with the sg. verb and pl. neuter 
subject but I cannot recall seeing the verb before the subject and predicate 
nominative instead of between them or after both.  Also, the genitive in 
front of TA ERGA is okay but PONHRA seperating AUTWN and TA ERGA sure caused 
a hickup as I read this verse.

Bert de Haan


>From: kgraham0938 at comcast.net
>To: "Bert de Haan" <b_dehaan at sympatico.ca>, b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] John 3:19 strange word order?
>Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:35:38 +0000
>
>Hey Bert.  Well I can see your why you would struggle with this.  PONHPA is 
>in the first predicate position.  Which is adjective-article-noun, the 
>second predicate position would be article-noun-adjective.  Since this is 
>in the predicate position it should be "the works are evil."  The genitve 
>being in front TA ERGA is not uncommon in Greek.  But the thing that I 
>would be careful of is that even though HN here is singular; neuter plurals 
>can take singular verbs.
>--
>Kelton Graham
>KGRAHAM0938 at comcast.net
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "Bert de Haan" <b_dehaan at sympatico.ca>
>
> > John 3:19 is as follows: hAUTE DE ESTIN hH KRISIS TO FWS ELHLUQEN EIS 
>TON
> > KOSMON KAI HGAPHSAN hOI ANQRWPOI MALLON TO SKOTOS H TO FWS; HN GAR AUTWN
> > PONHRA TA ERGA.
> > It is the last part (HN GAR AUTWN PONHRA TA ERGA)that is the cause of 
>some
> > trouble for me. The word order seems strange. Especially HN at the 
>beginning
> > of the sentence and AUTWN removed from TA ERGA threw me for a loop. 
>PONHRA
> > GAR HN TA ERGA AUTWN would be what I would consider "normal." Is there 
>any
> > thing strange about the way the second part of John 3:19 is written or 
>is it
> > just my lack of experience with Greek that makes it appear that way to 
>me?
> > Thank you,
> > Bert de Haan.
> >
> >
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