[B-Greek] 1 Cor.16.2
George F Somsel
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Mon Aug 27 23:57:44 EDT 2007
No, "one day of every week" is not correct. See BDAG on εἷς, μία, ἕν [hEIS, MIA, hEN]
④ marker of someth. that is first, the first
ⓐ perh. Hebraistic (cp. Num 1:1 ἐν μιᾷ τοῦ μηνὸς τ. δευτέρου [EN MIAi TOU MHNOS T. DEUTEROU]; 2 Esdr 10:17; Esth 1:1a; Jos., Ant. 1, 29.—But s. also Lydus, Mens. 3, 4 W. τὴν κεφαλὴν τ. χρόνου οἱ Πυθαγόρειοι οὐχὶ πρώτην ἀλλὰ μίαν ὠνόμασαν [THN KEFALHN T. XRONOU hOI PUQAGOREIOI OUXI PRWTHN ALLA MIAN WNOMASAN]; Callim., Fgm. 550 P. [482 Schneider] πρὸ μιῆς ὥρης [PRO MIHS hWRHS]=before the first hour of the day) is its use w. expressions denoting time instead of the ordinal number εἰς μίαν σαββάτων [EIS MIAN SABBATWN] on the first day of the week Mt 28:1; cp. Lk 24:1; Mk 16:2; J 20:1, 19; Ac 20:7; also κατὰ μίαν σαββάτου [KATA MIAN SABBATOU] 1 Cor 16:2 (cp. Just., D. 41, 4 τῇ μίᾳ τῶν σαββάτων ἡμέρᾳ [THi MIAi TWN SABBATWN hHMERAi]; 27, 5 [here w. πρό [PRO] and μετά [META] resp., in
accordance with Latin usage]).
ⓑ not Semitic (Hdt. 4, 161 μία, ἄλλη, τρίτη [MIA, ALLH, TRITH]; Ael. Aristid. 36, 40 K.=48 p. 453 D.: ἕν, δεύτερον, τρίτον, τέταρτον [hEN DEUTERON, TRITON, TETARTON]; JosAs 2:17) εἷς καὶ δεύτερος [hEIS KAI DEUTEROS] a first and second Tit 3:10 (cp. Alciphron, Ep. 1, 9, 2; Galen XII 746 K.: ὕδωρ ὄμβριον ἔγχριε μέχρι μιᾶς καὶ δευτέρας ἡμέρας [hUDWR OMBRION EGXRIE MEXRI MIAS KAI DEUTERAS hHMERAS]; Maximus Tyr. 28, 2h μίαδευτέρα [MIADEUTERA]; EpArist 143; Jos., Ant. 11, 150; 16, 350 πεσόντος ἑνός καὶ δευτέρου [PESONTOS hENOS KAI DEUTEROU]). S. also ἡ οὐαὶ ἡ μία [hH OUAI hH MIA] Rv 9:12.—ἓν τριάκοντα [hEN TIRAKONTA] Mk 4:8, 20 is prob. to be considered an Aramaism thirtyfold (B-D-F §248, 3; EKautzsch, Gramm. d. bibl. Aram. 1884 §66, 2; JHudson, ET 53, ’41/42, 266f).
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., & Bauer, W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature. "Based on Walter Bauer's Griechisch-deutsches Wr̲terbuch zu den Schriften des Neuen Testaments und der frhchristlichen [sic] Literatur, sixth edition, ed. Kurt Aland and Barbara Aland, with Viktor Reichmann and on previous English editions by W.F. Arndt, F.W. Gingrich, and F.W. Danker." (3rd ed.) (293). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
and BDF
248. Numeral adverbs and the like. (1) Ἀνά [ANA] and κατά [KATA] are used with cardinals in a distributive sense as in classical: Mk 6:40 κατὰ [KATA] (v.l. ἀνά [ANA] as in Lk 9:14) ἑκατὸν καὶ κατὰ πεντήκοντα [hEKATON KAI KATA PENTHDONTA]. In a way known to vulgar Greek, but due to the translation of a Semitic idiom in this case, the cardinal is doubled: Mk 6:7 δύο δύο [DUO DUO] (D ἀνὰ δύο [ANA DUO] as in Lk 10:1). (2) Multiplicatives: ἕως ἑβδομηκοντάκις ἑπτά [hEWS hEBDOMHKONTAKIS hEPTA] Mt 18:22 is peculiar (D* ἑβδ. ἑπτάκις [hEB. hEPTAKIS]) ‘seventy-seven times’ (not ‘seventy times seven’) as in LXX Gen 4:24. Ἐπὶ τρίς [EPI TRIS] ‘three times’ or ‘yet a third time’ A 10:16, 11:10, PHolm 1.18, s. also Bauer s.v. τρίς [TRIS]. (3) Ἓν τριάκοντα [hEN TRIAKONTA] etc. is an Aramaism Mk 4:8, 20 (inferior reading ἐν [EN])
‘thirty-fold’; s. §207(2). (4) ‘The third time (τὸ) τρίτον [(TO) TRITON] Mk 14:41 etc., ἐκ τρίτου [EK TRITOU] Mt 26:44; ‘now for the third time’ τρίτον τοῦτο [TRITON TOUTO] (§154). (5) Ὄγδοον Νῶε ἐφύλαξεν [OGDOON NWE EFULACEN] ‘Noah with seven others’ (cf. German selbacht ‘he being the eighth’) 2 P 2:5 is good classical. K.–G. i 653.
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(3) The fluctuation between the multiplicative on the one hand and the cardinal (ἑπτά = ἑπτάκις [hEPTA = hEPTAKIS]) or the ordinal (ἐπὶ τρίς [EPI TRIS] for τὸ τρίτον [TO TRITON]) on the other is due largely to the Semitic ambiguity with regard to numerals (§247(1)). Late Greek and Latin, however, concur in this ambiguity. In Rev 22:2 ποιοῦν καρποὺς δώδεκα [POIOUN KARPOUS DWDEKA], as interpreted by the following clause κατὰ μῆνα ἕκαστον ἀποδιδοῦν τὸν καρπὸν αὐτοῦ [KATA MHNA hEKASTON APODIDOUN TON KARPON AUTOU], δώδεκα = δωδεκάκις [DWDEKA = DWDEKAKIS]; cf. Ezk 47:12 (Hebrew) and Lohmeyer, Hdb. ad loc. who quotes Shemot r. 15: ‘trees which bear fruit every month’ (with an identical reference to its healing properties following). Rev 9:12 ἔρχεται ἔτι δύο οὐα [ERXETAI ETI DUO OUA]ί: Lohmeyer, Hdb. ad loc. takes δύο =
δίς [DUO = DIS] ‘twice, two more times’ (taking οὐαί [OUAI] as sing. here as in the preceding ἡ οὐαί ἡ μία [hH OUAI hH MIA]); Katz now concurs (cf. §§58; 136(5)). For later Greek and Latin δεύτερον, τρίτον [DEUTERON, TRITON] instead of δίς, τρίς [DIS, TRIS], etc., s. Schulze, Graeca Latina 13f. Cf. Kautzsch §66, 2. For Mt 13:8, 23 s. §250.
Blass, F., Debrunner, A., & Funk, R. W. (1961). A Greek grammar of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (130). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
george
gfsomsel
Therefore, O faithful Christian, search for truth, hear truth,
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
defend the truth till death.
- Jan Hus
_________
----- Original Message ----
From: Denise Parkes <deniseparkes at hotmail.com>
To: gfsomsel at yahoo.com; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:15:13 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Cor.16.2
Yes, another mistake on my part, substituting "each" for "every." I agree
that hHMERAN is understood.
However, must MIAN be ordinal?
Is "on one day of every week" a possible translation?
Cheers,
Denise Parkes
>From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
>To: Denise Parkes <deniseparkes at hotmail.com>, b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Cor.16.2
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:50:32 -0700 (PDT)
>
>But it's not "each week" since that would need to be κατὰ
>σάββατον [KATA SABBATON], i.e. σάββατον [SABBATON] would
>need to be acc whereas here it is gen. See Acts 18.4 where it has
>
>διελέγετο δὲ ἐν τῇ συναγωγῇ κατὰ πᾶν
>σάββατον ἔπειθέν τε Ἰουδαίους καὶ
>Ἕλληνας.
>DIELEGETO DE EN THi SUNAGWGHi KATA PAN SABBATON EPEIQEN TE IOUDAIOUS KAI
>hELLHNAS
>
>What we have in 1 Cor 16.2 is simply κατὰ [ἡμέραν] μίαν
>σαββάτου [KATA [[hHMERAN]] MIAN SABBATOU]. I.e. ἡμέραν
>[hHMERAN] is to be understood. Which would then be "Every first [day] of
>the week …"
>
>
>george
>gfsomsel
>
>Therefore, O faithful Christian, search for truth, hear truth,
>learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
>defend the truth till death.
>
>- Jan Hus
>_________
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Denise Parkes <deniseparkes at hotmail.com>
>To: gfsomsel at yahoo.com; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:29:05 PM
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Cor.16.2
>
>
>Yes, KATA is used distributively. I should have written "on one day of
>each week." But KATA MIAN SABBATOU still doesn't necessarily specify which
>day of the week, does it?
>
>Cheers,
>Denise Parkes
>
>
> >From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
> >To: Denise Parkes <deniseparkes at hotmail.com>, b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> >Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Cor.16.2
> >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:53:21 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >No, κατὰ [KATA] is used distributively here. It doesn't refer to
> >simply one day but every day one. Cf. its usage in Lk 2.41
> >
> >41 Καὶ ἐπορεύοντο οἱ γονεῖς αὐτοῦ
>κατʼ
> >ἔτος εἰς Ἰερουσαλὴμ τῇ ἑορτῇ τοῦ
> >πάσχα.
> >
> >KAI EPOREUONTO hOI GONEIS AUTOU KAT' ETOS EIS IEROUSALHM THi hEORTHi TOU
> >PASXA
> >
> >And his parents went EVERY YEAR to Jerusalem for the Feast of Passover.
> >
> >
> >george
> >gfsomsel
> >
> >Therefore, O faithful Christian, search for truth, hear truth,
> >learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> >defend the truth till death.
> >
> >- Jan Hus
> >_________
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----
> >From: Denise Parkes <deniseparkes at hotmail.com>
> >To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:35:26 PM
> >Subject: [B-Greek] 1 Cor.16.2
> >
> >
> >KATA MIAN SABBATOU hEKASTOS hUMWN PAR' hEAUTWi TIQETW QHSAURIZWN hO TI
>EAN
> >EUODWTAI, hINA MH hOTAN ELQW TOTE LOGEIAI GINWNTAI
> >
> >Gen.1:5: KAI EKALESEN hO QEOS TO FWS hHMERAN KAI TO SKOTOS EKALESEN
>NUKTA.
> >KAI EGENETO hESPERA KAI EGENETO PRWI, hHMERA MIA
> >
> >Thank you George and Oun for your replies.
> >
> >I can see that hHMERA MIA in Gen.1:5 serves as a clear model of how to
> >express a specific day of the week. But the structure of KATA MIAN
> >SABBATOU
> >in 1 Cor.16:2 is quite different, so a link between the two seems to be
> >interpretive.
> >
> >So can KATA MIAN SABBATOU in 1 Cor.16:2 be non-specific and mean
>“on
> >one
> >day of the week"?
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Denise Parkes
> >
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