[B-Greek] 1 Cor.16.2

Bryant J. Williams III bjwvmw at com-pair.net
Thu Aug 30 12:03:16 EDT 2007


Dear Webb,

Paragraph 248, page 130 "Numeral adverbs and the like.
    "(1) ANA and KATA ared used with cardinals in a distributive sense as in
classiscal: Mk 6:40 KATA (v.l. ANA as in Lk 9:14) hEKATON KAI KATA PENTHKONTA.
In a way known to vulgar Greek, but due to the translation of Semitic idiom in
this case, the cardinal is doubled: Mk 6:7 DUO DUO (D AVA DUOA as in Mk 10:1)."

Examples listed for (1)
    "Herm. Sim  9.2.3 ANA DUO PARQENOI cf. paragraph 204: on ANA hEIS hEKATOS,
hEIS KAQ' hEIS and the likes s. paaragraph 305. On DUO DUO: Aeschylus., Pers.
981 MURIA MURIA PEMPASTON = TOV KATA MURIOS APIQMOUNTA, Soph., Frag. 191
Nauck(2) MIAN MIAN = KATA MIAN. Since anit-Atticists must have censured the same
thing in Koine as vulgar; also pap. and MGr (Mlt. 97 [156]; Dieterich 188;
Jannaris paragraph 666; Kapsomenakis 49f.). Cf. aslo paragraph 493(2) and
Bruggmann, Grundriss II(2)2, 74; Ljungvik, Aegyptus 13 (1933) 163f. On Semitic
influence E. Hofmann, Ausdrucksverstaerkung 38; LXX: Johannessohn II 253 n. 2 -
MixedANA DUO DUO Lk 10:1 BKP; cf. Reinhold 62; W. Schuylze, Graeca Lingua 13;
DIDEI AUTHi ANA EN hEN 'give her one each' PColumb no. 318 (c. 100 AD; Class.
Phil 30 [1935] 145.31), KATA DUO DUO POxy VI 886.19 (iii AD).

    (3) The fluctuation between the multiplicative on the one hand and the
cardinal (hEPTA = hEPTAKIS) or the ordinal (EPI TRIS for TO TRITON) on the other
is due largely to the Semitic ambiguity with regard to numerals (paragraph
247(1))."

En Xristwi,

Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
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From: "Webb" <webb at selftest.net>
To: "'Bryant J. Williams III'" <bjwvmw at com-pair.net>; "'Denise Parkes'"
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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: RE: [B-Greek] 1 Cor.16.2


> The Blass-Debrunner citations of the LXX superscription to Ps. 23 (24 in the
> Hebrew Bible) and the gospels (Mt. 28:1; Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1) show that MIA
> SABBATWN means "the first day of the week". But since SABBATON can be
> singular or plural and still mean "week", I suspect that KATA MIAN SABBATOU
> probably does not mean "on the first day of the week"/"on Sunday".
>
> In my opinion, KATA in this case is distributive: "Every Sunday", "On
> Sundays", or "Sunday by Sunday".
>
> Webb Mealy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Bryant J. Williams
> III
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:25 PM
> To: Denise Parkes; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Cor.16.2
>
> Dear Denise,
>
> It seems that what is happening regarding this passage is that KATA MIAN
> SABBATOU EKASTOS is not used in the LXX, but has moved from the 7th day to
> the
> first day (MIAN). I would refer you to Colin Brown, NIDNTT, Vol 3, pp
> 405-415.
> Pay particular attention to pp 408-411 "Sabbath" in the NT; and the article
> "KURIAKH," (the Lord's) with reference to the Lord's Day, pp 411-412. Both
> articles are written by W. Stott.
>
> Stott makes two statements under Sabbath, "4. Theological Insights," p. 411;
> and
> KURIAKH, "3. The Theological Deductions," p. 412. I would recommend that
> both
> articles be carefully read. I only mentioned these sections since some of
> the
> content would not be appropriate per list guidelines to post.
>
> Blass-DeBrunner-Funk, "Syntax of Numerals," pp 129-130, paragraph 247.
>     "247. hEIS. 1. The first day of the month or week is designated in the
> NT as
> in the LXX, not by PRWTH, but by MIA, e.g. EIS MIAN SABBATWN 'on Sunday' Mt
> 28:1. Above one, however, DEUTERA etc. are used because a "single" day
> cannot be
> expressed by a plural (DUO etc.). The model was Hebraic where all the days
> of
> the month are designated by cardinals (Noeldeke, Ztschr. f. deutsche Wortf.
> I
> [1901} 162; also Aramaic, s. Dalman 247)."
>
> Under the examples in paragraph 247 is (1)
>     "(1) MIA = PRWTH also e.g. A 20:7, I C 16:2, Mk 16:2, Lk 24:1; PRWTH
> SABBATOU, [Mk} 16:9 for which, however, Eus. quotes THi MIAi...LXX: the days
> of
> the week occur only in some uncials in the titles of Psalms which not in the
> Hebr. text: THi MIAi SABBATOU (or -TWN) 23 (24) (This probably means on the
> first day reconed from the sabbath: cf. paragraph 213."
>
> Thus, "On the first day from the Sabbath (first day of the week, hence
> Sunday)
> for KATA MIAN SABBATOU. See also F.F. Bruce, I & II Corinthians, New Century
> Bible, page 158, who understood it as such "The direction to the church of
> Corinth, as to the Galatian churches, is that Sunday by Sunday each member
> should set aside a proportion of his weekly income, so that when Paul
> arrives
> the money will be ready...."the first day of the week, ..." This would
> correspond to Rev 1:10 which refers to Sunday as "on the Lord's Day" (EN THi
> KURIAKHi hHMERAi [cf. articles above]).
>
> En Xristwi,
>
> Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
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> From: "Denise Parkes" <deniseparkes at hotmail.com>
> To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:48 PM
> Subject: [B-Greek] 1 Cor.16.2
>
>
> > The problem with relying on dictionaries that are based entirely on the NT
> > and early Christian literature, is that they tend to present traditional
> > "in-house" and therefore, potentially biased, definitions.
> >
> > So can anyone tell me whether KATA MIAN SABBATOU could ever mean "on one
> day
> > of the week"?
> >
> > For example, could I use KATA MIAN SABBATOU if I was trying to compose the
> > following sentence in Greek: "I study on one day of the week."
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Denise Parkes
> >
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