[B-Greek] Narratio Iosephi

Elizabeth Kline kline_dekooning at earthlink.net
Sun Feb 4 00:02:21 EST 2007


Carl has already taken two of the good ones:

PROSWPON can be used for the faculty of seeing so "in the eyes of"  
would by my first choice.

"publicly" or "outwardly" is also a possibility.

I pulled out a reading glass and scanned through Lampe to see what  
the late use of PROSWPON might have to offer. I assume the document  
in question is late. There were a number of entries that hovered  
around the notion of "person" so I kluged that into the context  
provided and came up with:

"He was not a desciple on Jesus' account [because of who Jesus was as  
a person] but ..."

A little far fetched perhaps, but it makes sense in the context.

Elizabeth Kline




On Feb 3, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:

> On Feb 3, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Bart Ehrman wrote:
>
>>     In the apocryphal Gospel called the Narrative of Joseph of
>> Arimathea is
>> a statement about the nature of Judas Iscariot's discipleship:
>>
>>
>>
>>             OUK HN DE MAQHTHS KATA PROSWPON TOU IHSOU, ALLA DOLWi
>> PROETREPSANTO AUTON PAN TO PLHQOS TWN IOUDAIWN hINA AKOLOUQHSEI TWi
>> IHSOU.
>>
>>
>>
>>     What do you (y'all) make of the KATA PROSWPON?
>
> Perhaps = Heb. LiFNei in the sense, "in the eyes of" or "in the
> perspective of" ?
>
> Or possibly we should understand MAQHTHS TOU IHSOU as a unit and KATA
> PROSWPON as a qualifier of MAQHTHS IHSOU; if that's the case it would
> be "not an overt disciple of Jesus." Somehow this second notion
> strikes me as more likely than the first.
>
> Cf. John 19:38 IWSHF [hO] APO ARIMAQAIAS, WN MAQHTHS TOU IHSOU;
> KEKRUMMENOS DE DIA TON FOBON TWN IOUDAIWN ...









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