[B-Greek] partitive genitive as subject/object

Elizabeth Kline kline_dekooning at earthlink.net
Fri Feb 9 14:14:42 EST 2007


N.Turner (Syntax p208-209) has a useful discussion of AP0/EK with  
genitive and without a noun functioning as a subject or object of the  
verb.  Turner gives a lot of examples from NT and LXX. He also  
mentions it in his book on Style (pps. 15, 46, 70, 137, 151f) where  
he attributes it to semitic influence.

In John 6:11 we see EK TWN OYARIWN functioning as an entire clause:

JOHN 6:11 ELABEN OUN TOUS ARTOUS hO IHSOUS KAI EUCARISTHSAS DIEDWKEN  
TOIS ANAKEIMENOIS hOMOIWS KAI EK TWN OYARIWN hOSON HQELON.

Elizabeth Kline

On Feb 7, 2007, at 9:04 PM, Elizabeth Kline wrote:

>
> On Feb 7, 2007, at 8:01 PM, Oun Kwon wrote:
>
>> 1Jn 4:13
>>
>> EN TOUTW GINWSKOMEN
>> hOTI EN AUTW MENOMEN KAI AUTOS EN hHMIN
>> hOTI EK TOU PNEUMATOS AUTOU DEDWKEN hHMIN
>>
>> I am looking for the object of the verb DEDWKEN on the last line.   
>> Why
>> some English translations take PNEUMATOS as its object when it is  
>> part
>> of a phrase EK ~?
>
> Oun, I have not studied this particular text but the following is
> information gathered while working on Acts 19:33.
>
> EK + gen can serve as either the subject or the object of a finite  
> verb.
>
> EX hUMWN is the object of QANATWSOUSIN
>
>   LUKE 21:16 PARADOQHSESQE DE KAI hUPO GONEWN KAI ADELFWN KAI
> SUGGENWN KAI FILWN, KAI QANATWSOUSIN EX hUMWN,
>
>   EK TOU OCLOU is the subject of  SUNEBIBASAN
>
> ACTS 19:33 EK DE TOU OCLOU SUNEBIBASAN ALEXANDRON, PROBALONTWN AUTON
> TWN IOUDAIWN: hO DE ALEXANDROS KATASEISAS THN CEIRA HQELEN
> APOLOGEISQAI TWi DHMWi.
>
> EK TWN MAQHTWN AUTOU is the subject of EIPAN
>
> JOHN 16:17 EIPAN OUN EK TWN MAQHTWN AUTOU PROS ALLHLOUS: TI ESTIN
> TOUTO hO LEGEI hHMIN: MIKRON KAI OU QEWREITE ME, KAI PALIN MIKRON KAI
> OYESQE ME; KAI: hOTI hUPAGW PROS TON PATERA;
>
> See BDF #164.2 and Smyth 928b,1318 who cites examples from X.H.
> 4.2.20, X.A.3.5.16 both with finite verbs.
>
> According to G.Cooper (Attic Syntax 1:47:15:4,5) the partitive
> genitive functioning as the subject of a verb can be understood
> something like an elided indefinite plural pronoun. Cooper cites the
> same examples as Smyth and adds two from Hdt, 3.102.2, 6.58.2  but
> these have participles not finite verbs.
>
> I read somewhere that this is a common pattern in the LXX but I don't
> have any examples.
>
>
> Elizabeth Kline
>
>
>









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