[B-Greek] partitive genitive as subject/object

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Fri Feb 9 14:20:31 EST 2007


On Feb 9, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Elizabeth Kline wrote:

> N.Turner (Syntax p208-209) has a useful discussion of AP0/EK with
> genitive and without a noun functioning as a subject or object of the
> verb.  Turner gives a lot of examples from NT and LXX. He also
> mentions it in his book on Style (pps. 15, 46, 70, 137, 151f) where
> he attributes it to semitic influence.
>
> In John 6:11 we see EK TWN OYARIWN functioning as an entire clause:
>
> JOHN 6:11 ELABEN OUN TOUS ARTOUS hO IHSOUS KAI EUCARISTHSAS DIEDWKEN
> TOIS ANAKEIMENOIS hOMOIWS KAI EK TWN OYARIWN hOSON HQELON.

Isn't this a bit different? Here EK TWN OYARIWN must surely depend  
upon hOSON's implicit antecedent TOSOUTON?

> On Feb 7, 2007, at 9:04 PM, Elizabeth Kline wrote:
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>> On Feb 7, 2007, at 8:01 PM, Oun Kwon wrote:
>>
>>> 1Jn 4:13
>>>
>>> EN TOUTW GINWSKOMEN
>>> hOTI EN AUTW MENOMEN KAI AUTOS EN hHMIN
>>> hOTI EK TOU PNEUMATOS AUTOU DEDWKEN hHMIN
>>>
>>> I am looking for the object of the verb DEDWKEN on the last line.
>>> Why
>>> some English translations take PNEUMATOS as its object when it is
>>> part
>>> of a phrase EK ~?
>>
>> Oun, I have not studied this particular text but the following is
>> information gathered while working on Acts 19:33.
>>
>> EK + gen can serve as either the subject or the object of a finite
>> verb.
>>
>> EX hUMWN is the object of QANATWSOUSIN
>>
>>   LUKE 21:16 PARADOQHSESQE DE KAI hUPO GONEWN KAI ADELFWN KAI
>> SUGGENWN KAI FILWN, KAI QANATWSOUSIN EX hUMWN,
>>
>>   EK TOU OCLOU is the subject of  SUNEBIBASAN
>>
>> ACTS 19:33 EK DE TOU OCLOU SUNEBIBASAN ALEXANDRON, PROBALONTWN AUTON
>> TWN IOUDAIWN: hO DE ALEXANDROS KATASEISAS THN CEIRA HQELEN
>> APOLOGEISQAI TWi DHMWi.
>>
>> EK TWN MAQHTWN AUTOU is the subject of EIPAN
>>
>> JOHN 16:17 EIPAN OUN EK TWN MAQHTWN AUTOU PROS ALLHLOUS: TI ESTIN
>> TOUTO hO LEGEI hHMIN: MIKRON KAI OU QEWREITE ME, KAI PALIN MIKRON KAI
>> OYESQE ME; KAI: hOTI hUPAGW PROS TON PATERA;
>>
>> See BDF #164.2 and Smyth 928b,1318 who cites examples from X.H.
>> 4.2.20, X.A.3.5.16 both with finite verbs.
>>
>> According to G.Cooper (Attic Syntax 1:47:15:4,5) the partitive
>> genitive functioning as the subject of a verb can be understood
>> something like an elided indefinite plural pronoun. Cooper cites the
>> same examples as Smyth and adds two from Hdt, 3.102.2, 6.58.2  but
>> these have participles not finite verbs.
>>
>> I read somewhere that this is a common pattern in the LXX but I don't
>> have any examples.
>>
>>
>> Elizabeth Kline
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Carl W. Conrad
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