[B-Greek] Eph 2:2 TOU PNEUMATOS (again)
Bryant J. Williams III
bjwvmw at com-pair.net
Fri Feb 16 12:50:52 EST 2007
Dear Elizabeth,
My purpose in stacking the verse as I did was to highlight the relationship
between the preposition KATA + ACCUSATIVE + GENITIVE. As you said the line
wrapping probably caused a problem/error.
Let's try again.
KATA TON AIWNA TOU KOSMOU TOUTOU,
KATA TON ARCONTA TOU EXOUSIAS TOU AEROS,
TOU PNEUMATOS TOU NUN
ENERGOUNTAS
EN TOIS hUIOIS THS APEIQEIAS.
This is what Wallace may be getting at, that it is not Genitive of
Apposition since TOU PNEUMATOS is a personal noun under the head noun TON
ARCONTA. I do not know if that is correct. It seems that TON ARCONTA
requires that there be some description of who TON ARCONTA is. If Wallace is
correct, then TOU EXOUSIAS and TOU PNEUMATOS describe NOT TON ARCONTA. I
will correct myself, then, since KATA TON AIWNA = KATA TON ARCONTA and TOU
EXOUSIAS TOU AEROS = TON PNEUMATOS TOU NUN ENERGOUNTAS.
Thus, TON ARCONTA (the ruler, here in a spiritual aspect instead of human)
is attributed with the TOU EXOUSIAS (power/authority) TOU AEROS (in the air;
thus, not attributing to him a earthly/human power/authority) and with TOU
PNEUMATOS [the spirit (not Spirit)] TOU NUN ENERGOUNTAS (which now
works/energizes) EN TOIS hUIOIS THS APEIQEIAS (in the sons/children of
disobedience/unfaithfulness). All of this is stating how we Gentiles once
walked (EN hAIS POTE PERIEPATHSATE) which completes the thought of 2:1, KAI
hUMAS ONTAS NEKROS TOIS PARAPTWMASIN KAI TAIS hAMARTIAS hUMWN. We were the
WALKING DEAD!
En Xristwi,
Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Kline" <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
To: "greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:09 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] Eph 2:2 TOU PNEUMATOS (again)
> Rev. Bryant J. Williams III wrote:
>
> [Note: I tried to clean up the line wrapping but may have error.
> E.Kline]
>
> If laid out correctly, it appears that it is Genitive of Apposition.
> EN hAIS POTE PERIEPATHSATE
> KATA TON AIWNA TOU KOSMOU TOUTOU,
> KATA TON ARCONTA TOU EXOUSIAS TOU AEROS,
> TOU PNEUMATOS TOU NUN ENERGOUNTAS
> EN TOIS hUIOISTHS APEIQEIAS (attributive genitive, ATR, p. 497)
>
> Clearly KATA TON AIWNA TOU KOSMOU TOUTOU = KATA TON ARCONTA TOU
> EXOUSIAS TOU
> AEROS - TOU PNEUMATOS TOU NUN ENERGOUNTAS.
>
> [end of quote]
>
> I have a problem with stacking TOU PNEUMATOS under TOU EXOUSIAS since
> the relationship between TON ARCONTA and TOU EXOUSIAS seems quite
> different from the relationship between TON ARCONTA and TOU PNEUMATOS.
>
> EPH. 2:2 EN hAIS POTE PERIEPATHSATE KATA TON AIWNA TOU KOSMOU TOUTOU,
> KATA TON ARCONTA THS EXOUSIAS TOU AEROS, TOU PNEUMATOS TOU NUN
> ENERGOUNTOS EN TOIS hUIOIS THS APEIQEIAS:
>
> Is TOU PNEUMATOS co-referential with TON ARCONTA? If it is, then it
> does not fill the same slot as THS EXOUSIAS.
>
>
>
> I spent some hours over the last two days in the grammars (all of
> them) reading about the genitive. It seems that what we have is a
> complex system of types and sub-types used to define the behaviour of
> the genitive case, and some authors (one or two) define very specific
> rules concerning very specific subtypes which are essentially beyond
> testing because it is nearly impossible to clearly deliniate a set of
> examples which are beyond all dispute memebers of the subtype for
> which these rules are supposed to be valid. In other words, the whole
> thing is like a house of cards. This is just an aside.
>
> Elizabeth Kline
>
>
>
>
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