[B-Greek] This is my body (Luk 22:19)
George F Somsel
gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sat Feb 17 16:47:45 EST 2007
Of course! I'm afraid I was fixated on ARTON and simply lost sight of the nature of the sentence. It is perfectly normal and in agreement. In 19 verses in the NT in which TOUTO ESTIN appears the only exception to having Y be a neuter nou, if it is an exception to such agreement, is Rom 1.12 where an infinitive takes the place of Y. Perhaps 1 Jn 4.3 is somewhat indicative of this relationship
KAI PAN PNEUMA hO MH hOMOLOGEI TON IHSOUN EK TOU QEOU OUK ESTIN, KAI TOUTO ESTIN TO [scil PNEUMA] TOU ANTIXRISTOU
george
gfsomsel
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From: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
To: greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:29:47 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] This is my body (Luk 22:19)
George,
My post could be understood as a question rather than a bomb :-)
TOUTO ESTIN TO SWMA MOU
Wouldn't we expect a demonstrative X in a
X ESTIN Y clause to be in agreement with Y?
Think of it as a question for discussion, not as a bomb :-)
That goes for my comments about Wallace as well, just questions.
Elizabeth Kline
On Feb 17, 2007, at 1:19 PM, George F Somsel wrote:
> Elizabeth,
>
>
> So how would you explain the agreement of TOUTO with SWMA rather
> than with ARTON? Don't just drop a bomb on us.
>
>
> george
> gfsomsel
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
> To: greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:14:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] This is my body (Luk 22:19)
>
> On Feb 17, 2007, at 10:48 AM, George F Somsel wrote:
>
> > KAI LABWN ARTON EUXARISTHSAS EKLASEN KAI EDWKEN AUTOIS LEGWN,
> > "TOUTO ESTIN TO SWMA MOU hUPER hUMWN DIDOMENON; TOUTO POIEITE EIS
> > THN EMHN ANAMNHSIN
> >
> > While it is true that ARTOS is masculine gender and TOUTO is neuter
> > and thus does not agree with it, I think it would be a mistake to
> > conclude that it does not thereby indicate the bread. The
> > demonstative is rather far removed from its referent and is much
> > closer to SWMA with which the bread is being equated so that the
> > gender of the demonstrative is attracted to the gender of SWMA.
>
> While I agree that TOUTO is co-referential with ARTON, the notion of
> "attraction" which is used in most NT greek grammars seems like a non-
> explanation.
>
> Elizabeth Kline
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