[B-Greek] Mk 1:15 believe 'with the good news'
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Tue Feb 20 05:52:27 EST 2007
I'd like to change the word "provocative" in the paragraph below to
"eye-opening" -- perhaps that is tantamount to "illuminating" but I
meant to indicate that some might be surprised by what Wayne has to
say rather than that they would be upset.
On Feb 20, 2007, at 5:01 AM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
> I am in accord with George on this matter of (a) the equivalence of
> these various formulations with PISTEUW, (b) that its proper sense is
> "trust," "be faithful." With regard to the way PISTEUW is translated,
> I think that list-members might find illuminating and perhaps
> provocative a recent blog by Wayne Leman on his "Better Bibles Blog"
> concerning how this verb (verb-phrase) is translated in several
> versions in John 2:23-25: http://tinyurl.com/2xyja8
>
> On Feb 19, 2007, at 10:11 PM, George F Somsel wrote:
>
>> We are so addicted to translating PISTEUW as "believe" and
>> associating that with an act or mental attitude of assenting to
>> some proposition that we sometimes find it difficult to really get
>> to the meaning of some expressions. There was another question
>> recently involving the word PISTIS which was taken from Greek
>> literature and indicated "loyalty" or "faithfulness." I think this
>> is more nearly what is indicated by the word PISTEUW. In the case
>> of PISTEUW EN TWi EUAGGELIWi I would consider this to intend "trust
>> the gospel [and don't forget that EUAGGELION is 'good news']."
>>
>> george
>> gfsomsel
>> _________
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Oun Kwon <kwonbbl at gmail.com>
>> To: B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:01:48 PM
>> Subject: [B-Greek] Mk 1:15 believe 'with the good news'
>>
>>
>> Mk 1:15 METANOEITE KAI PISTEUETE EN TW EUAGGELIW
>>
>> The verb associated with 'good news' is proclaim/preach (as
>> EVAGGELIZW). Here in Mk 1:15 it shows up along with PISTEUW + EN.
>>
>> Now, as I understand the verb PISTEUW appears in the GNT in several
>> ways:
>> + dative, + EN, + EIS, + EPI
>>
>> I am not sure whether 'believe the gospel' (or 'believe in the
>> gospel') is a common expression in church language (in contrast to
>> 'hear' 'accept' the gospel). However, the text itself seems strange
>> and its meaning is not clear.
>>
>> I wonder whether it makes more sense to take EN as instrumental (as
>> 'with the good news'; e.g. BAPTIZW EN hUDATI Mt 3:11) to read the
>> text
>> in this sense:
>>
>> "Repent and believe upon receiving the good news."
>>
>> Here the object of 'believe' is implicit - God, etc. That it is only
>> once shown in N.T. here does not help me much.
>>
>> Thanks for your comments.
>>
>> Oun Kwon.
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> Carl W. Conrad
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Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
cwconrad2 at mac.com
WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
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