[B-Greek] SOFIA SIRAX 19:4 - Hearts and Minds

Carl Thomas slewfoot at rangeweb.net
Sun Jul 29 18:37:36 EDT 2007


I have two questions. 1. What is a critical edition? 2.When I want to 
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Albert Pietersma wrote:
> Since the question raised was about the Greek text of Sirach, it is  
> perhaps worth noting that  there is a critical edition  in the  
> Göttingen Septuagint: Joseph Ziegler (Septuaginta: Vetus Testamentum  
> Graecum Auctoritate Academiae Litterarum Gottingensiseditum XII, 2:  
> Sapientia Iesu Filii Sirach [Göttingen: Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht,  
> 1965]). For the line in question, Ziegler = Rahlfs, though that is   
> not always the case. The apparatus notes no significant variants.
> Al
> On Jul 29, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Elizabeth Kline wrote:
>
>   
>> On Jul 29, 2007, at 2:16 AM, kathleen.taylor at dpag.ox.ac.uk wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Thirdly, is it stretching it too far to read into the use of
>>> καρδίᾳ
>>> [KARDIAi], rather than, say, some form of FRONIS or NOOS, a
>>> stronger, more
>>> emotional or personally-important relationship between the believer
>>> and
>>> the belief-object ('trust' rather than mere 'belief')?
>>>       
>> In regard to this it might (??) be worth taking a look at the textual
>> notes in the Anchor Bible [AB]. The text of Ben Sira is generally
>> difficult (see AB pps 46-62) and the text for 19:1-4 is uncertain.
>> According to P.W. Skehan (AB p289) the Peshitta (SYR) lacks 19:3 so
>> that 19:2 is joined to 19:4a. This plus a change of wording in 19:4b
>> found in two Greek manuscripts [Greek text not cited in AB!!] form
>> the basis for Skehan's reconstruction and translation.
>>
>> 19:2 Wine and women make the mind giddy,
>> and the companion of prostitutes becomes reckless.
>> 19:4 He who lightly trusts [in them] has no sense,
>> and he who strays [after them] sins against his own life.
>>
>> Note that there is on textual basis for [in them] and I suspect there
>> isn't any for [after them] but I cannot be sure.
>>
>> Skehan attempts to produce discourse cohesion where none exists.
>> There isn't any connection between 19:4 and what follows so based on
>> the Peshitta and an alternate reading in two Greek mss. of 19:4b
>> which he does not name and cites only in English (bad!) "the one who
>> is incontinent" for "he who strays" he arrives at a reconstruction
>> which looks to me like it is pertinent to your question "...
>> relationship between the believer and the belief-object".
>>
>> This is drifting away from discussion of the Greek text so I will
>> cease and desist.
>>
>>
>> Elizabeth Kline
>>
>> [AB] Wisdom of Ben Sira (Anchor Bible)
>> Alexander A. Di Lella; Editor-Patrick W. Skehan, 1987
>>
>>
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Carl Thomas
Ashland, Montana 59003
United States of America




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