[B-Greek] SOFIA SIRAX 19:4 - Hearts and Minds

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Sun Jul 29 19:36:38 EDT 2007


On Jul 29, 2007, at 6:37 PM, Carl Thomas wrote:

> I have two questions. 1. What is a critical edition?

That's a text compiled from what are deemed the best manuscript  
witnesses and that includes a critical apparatus of note indicating  
all major significant variants from the text that is set forth by the  
editors of the edition. Probably a better definition can be given,  
but that's essentially what it is.

> 2.When I want to
> Reply to a post on this list, should I click Reply or Reply All?

Use "reply all" if you want your response to go to the B-Greek list  
in general as well as to the original sender of the message to which  
you are responding. If you click simply "reply," your response will  
go only to the original sender.

That's the way B-Greek is set up; it's not the way other lists are  
necessarily set up, and I don't doubt that some would prefer that our  
set-up were the other way around. But this is our rule: "Reply all"  
goes to the whole list; "Reply" goes only to the original sender of  
the post to which you are responding.

Carl W. Conrad
Co-Chair, B-Greek

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> Albert Pietersma wrote:
>> Since the question raised was about the Greek text of Sirach, it is
>> perhaps worth noting that  there is a critical edition  in the
>> Göttingen Septuagint: Joseph Ziegler (Septuaginta: Vetus Testamentum
>> Graecum Auctoritate Academiae Litterarum Gottingensiseditum XII, 2:
>> Sapientia Iesu Filii Sirach [Göttingen: Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht,
>> 1965]). For the line in question, Ziegler = Rahlfs, though that is
>> not always the case. The apparatus notes no significant variants.
>> Al
>> On Jul 29, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Elizabeth Kline wrote:
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>>> On Jul 29, 2007, at 2:16 AM, kathleen.taylor at dpag.ox.ac.uk wrote:
>>>
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>>>> Thirdly, is it stretching it too far to read into the use of
>>>> καρδίᾳ
>>>> [KARDIAi], rather than, say, some form of FRONIS or NOOS, a
>>>> stronger, more
>>>> emotional or personally-important relationship between the believer
>>>> and
>>>> the belief-object ('trust' rather than mere 'belief')?
>>>>
>>> In regard to this it might (??) be worth taking a look at the  
>>> textual
>>> notes in the Anchor Bible [AB]. The text of Ben Sira is generally
>>> difficult (see AB pps 46-62) and the text for 19:1-4 is uncertain.
>>> According to P.W. Skehan (AB p289) the Peshitta (SYR) lacks 19:3 so
>>> that 19:2 is joined to 19:4a. This plus a change of wording in 19:4b
>>> found in two Greek manuscripts [Greek text not cited in AB!!] form
>>> the basis for Skehan's reconstruction and translation.
>>>
>>> 19:2 Wine and women make the mind giddy,
>>> and the companion of prostitutes becomes reckless.
>>> 19:4 He who lightly trusts [in them] has no sense,
>>> and he who strays [after them] sins against his own life.
>>>
>>> Note that there is on textual basis for [in them] and I suspect  
>>> there
>>> isn't any for [after them] but I cannot be sure.
>>>
>>> Skehan attempts to produce discourse cohesion where none exists.
>>> There isn't any connection between 19:4 and what follows so based on
>>> the Peshitta and an alternate reading in two Greek mss. of 19:4b
>>> which he does not name and cites only in English (bad!) "the one who
>>> is incontinent" for "he who strays" he arrives at a reconstruction
>>> which looks to me like it is pertinent to your question "...
>>> relationship between the believer and the belief-object".
>>>
>>> This is drifting away from discussion of the Greek text so I will
>>> cease and desist.
>>>
>>>
>>> Elizabeth Kline
>>>
>>> [AB] Wisdom of Ben Sira (Anchor Bible)
>>> Alexander A. Di Lella; Editor-Patrick W. Skehan, 1987
>>>
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> -- 
> Carl Thomas
> Ashland, Montana 59003
> United States of America
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