[B-Greek] EI DE CWRIS ESTE PAIDEIAS hHS METOCOI GEGONASIN PANTES

Webb webb at selftest.net
Wed Jun 6 13:22:12 EDT 2007


EI DE CWRIS ESTE PAIDEIAS hHS METOCOI GEGONASIN PANTES, ARA NOQOI...ESTE
(Heb. 12:8)

 

RSV has "If you do not have the discipline in which all children share, then
you are illegitimate"

NIV has "If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline),
then you are illegitimate children"

Lattimore has, "If you go without the discipline which all are born to
share, you are bastards".

 

Now, ignoring Lattimore's overinterpretation of GEGONASIN (unless you think
he's correct, in which case speak up), I'm interested in Lattimore's
insertion of the hint that the person is involved the fact that they are
remaining undisciplined: "If you go without discipline". Before I consulted
his translation, I had been mulling over this rendering:

 

And if you're above (fn: Lit. "apart from") the discipline that everybody
takes part in, then you're illegitimate children.

 

I am very tempted to read EI DE CWRIS ESTE PAIDEIAS as meaning "And if you
hold yourself aloof from discipline". The author's argument obviously seems
to resonate with that idea, but is it a reasonable interpretation of the
words themselves? 

 

Webb Mealy




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