[B-Greek] Luke 5:1 EN TWi + infinitive

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 26 13:43:28 EDT 2007


Admittedly an inf can be used to express purpose, but would we then expect a καὶ [KAI] to separate it from the preceding inf -- AND would it even be an inf?  The inf used to express purpose seems normally to depend upon a finite verb

 
6. Infinitive as Final Dative. Giles calls attention to the infinitive as a final dative. This was the original use of the dative in –αι [-AI], the expression of purpose. So ἤλθομεν προσκυνῆσαι αὐτῷ [HLQOMEN PROSKUNHSAI AUTWi] (Mt. 2:2). Here we have the dative form and the dative of purpose. Cf. the old English “for to worship.” This dative form continued, however, when the case of the infinitive was no longer dative.

Robertson, A. (1919; 2006). A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research (541). Logos.
 
george
gfsomsel
 
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From: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
To: B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:07:28 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Luke 5:1 EN TWi + infinitive


The second infinitive clause KAI AKOUEIN TON LOGON TOU QEOU could be  
understood as a statement of purpose and not a second argument for EN  
TWi.

Elizabeth Kline

On Jun 26, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Jonathan Robie wrote:

>
> Luke 5:
>
> 01 Ἐγένετο δὲ ἐν τῷ
> τὸν ὄχλον ἐπικεῖσθαι αὐτῷ
> καὶ ἀκούειν τὸν λόγον τοῦ θεοῦ
> καὶ αὐτὸς ἦν ἑστὼς παρὰ τὴν  
> λίμνην Γεννησαρέτ,
> 02 καὶ εἶδεν δύο πλοῖα ἑστῶτα παρὰ  
> τὴν λίμνην
> οἱ δὲ ἁλιεῖς ἀπ αὐτῶν ἀποβάντες
> ἔπλυνον τὰ δίκτυα.
>
> 01 EGENETO DE EN TWi
> TON OCLON EPIKEISQAI AUTWi
> KAI AKOUEIN TON LOGON TOU QEOU
> KAI AUTOS HN ESTWS PARA THN LIMNHN GENNHSARET,
> KAI EIDEN DUO PLOIA ESTWTA PARA THN LIMNHN
> OI DE ALIEIS AP AUTWN APOBANTES
> EPLUNON TA DIKTUA
>
> I assume that both OCLON and AKOUEIN are functioning to indicate
> contemporaneous time as discussed in Funk:
>
>> 836.1 The articular infinitive appears with prepositions in temporal
>> clauses as follows: ἐν τῷ (EN TWi) and the infinitive are  
>> used of
>> contemporaneous time, μετὰ τό (META TO) for subsequent  
>> time, πρὸ τοῦ
>> (PRO TOU) for previous time, ἕως τοῦ (hEWS TOU) of future  
>> time, all in
>> relation to the time of the main verb. Bl-D §§402-404.
>>
>
> Funk's examples show only one verb acting as an object of EN TWi this
> way, but I assume that multiple infinitives can serve as objects to  
> one
> EN TWi, and that this is an example that functions that way? Here are
> the notes I wrote on this - are they correct?
>
> ἐν τῷ (EN TWi) + infinitive used for contemporaneous time,  
> Funk 836.1,
> Bl-D §§402-404. The two infinitives ἐπικεῖσθαι  
> (EPIKEISQAI) and ἀκούειν
> (AKOUEIN) are
> objects of the ἐν τῷ (EN TWi) construction, the periphrastic  
> imperfect
> ἦν ἑστὼς (HN hESTWS) contains the main verb - "while they  
> were crowding
> around
> him and listening to the word of God, he was standing by the sea
> of Galilee






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