[B-Greek] Romans 1:11 -- CORRECTION

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Wed Jun 27 13:23:47 EDT 2007


The accusative may be used with an inf either as the object of the infinitive or as its subject.   Στηριχθῆναι [STHRIXQHNAI] is a passive so that the acc pronoun ὑμᾶς [hUMAS] functions not as the object of the inf but as the subject. 
 
george
gfsomsel
 
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learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.
 
- Jan Hus
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----- Original Message ----
From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
To: Carl W. Conrad <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>; B-Greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc: betty schink <bettyschink at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 12:14:00 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Romans 1:11


I don't see that Ro 1.11 is particularly scrambled.  If you look at it we see the breakdown

BASIC Statement

ἐπιποθῶ γὰρ ἰδεῖν ὑμᾶς
EPIPOQW GAR IDEIN hUMAS

Statement of purpose

ἵνα τι μεταδῶ χάρισμα ὑμῖν πνευματικὸν 
hINA TI METADW XARISMA hUMIN PNEUMATIKON

Statement of expected result

εἰς τὸ στηριχθῆναι ὑμᾶς,
EIS TO STHRIXQHNAI hUMAS

Also, I do not see that the pronoun 'us' is used in the verse.

SEQUENCE

I would explain the position of the first ὑμᾶς [hUMAS] as being the object of the inf ἰδεῖν [IDEIN] in the basic statement.  In the statement of purpose ὑμῖν [hUMIN] is the indirect object of μεταδῶ [METADW] and properly follows the direct object in the sequence.  Πνευματικὸν [PNEUMATIKON] might have preceded ὑμῖν [hUMIN] so it is possible that the object was to emphasize that this was a spiritual gift which he was contemplating by pushing it further to the end of the sentence.  The second ὑμᾶς [hMAS] is the direct object of the articular infinitive στηριχθῆναι [SHRIXQHNAI] expressing the contemplated result of seeing them.

george
gfsomsel

Therefore, O faithful Christian, search for truth, hear truth, 
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.

- Jan Hus
_________



----- Original Message ----
From: Carl W. Conrad <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
To: B-Greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc: betty schink <bettyschink at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:20:48 AM
Subject: [B-Greek] Romans 1:11


The following inquiry has been sent to the list by a non-member, Mr.  
Theron Schink. Would anyone care to comment on the word-order of  
Romans 1:11?

Rom. 1:11 ἐπιποθῶ γὰρ ἰδεῖν ὑμᾶς, ἵνα  
τι μεταδῶ χάρισμα ὑμῖν πνευματικὸν  
εἰς τὸ στηριχθῆναι ὑμᾶς,
EPIPOQW GAR IDEIN hUMAS, hINA TI METADW CARISMA hUMIN PNEUMATIKON EIS  
TO STHRICQHNAI hUMAS.

I am no Greek scholar, but I have always been fascinated by Romans  
1:11. All of the sentences preceding verse 11 appear to my eye to be  
of an orderly fashion, and then when I come to verse 11, I stop and  
ponder the implications of the scrambling of the words in that  
sentence, especially with the verb 'give' and the pronoun 'us' being  
inserted amongst 'some' and 'blessing' and 'spiritual'. I have never  
seen a commentary address the implications of this scrambling. Is  
there a certain branch of Greek study that covers the implications of  
the word order, or lack there of, of the Greek sentence?

Thank you in advance for any and all replies.
  Mr. Theron Schink


Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
cwconrad2 at mac.com
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