[B-Greek] No such or no other?
Webb
webb at selftest.net
Mon May 7 14:16:59 EDT 2007
Dear Josh,
TOIAUTOS means "such", not "other". In more natural English, you could
render it as "that kind of". Paul is talking about the practice of women
praying and prophesying with their heads uncovered, which he disagrees with.
So he says, "we don't have that kind of custom/practice, nor do the churches
of God". I think NASB is trying to help the readers because Paul, in capping
off this section of his letter, is jumping back over vv. 14-15 and
answering, for himself, the question he posed in v. 13. But they themselves
put a marginal note that "other" is literally "such".
An interesting side light on 11:16 is Lattimore's rendering of EI DE TIS
DOKEI FILONEIKOS EINAI: "But if I seem to be arbitrary". That sounds rather
French: "But if one seems [i.e. I seem] to be arbitrary". How common is that
in Koine Greek?
Webb Mealy
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Subject: [B-Greek] No such or no other?
Hello,This is my first time to post or reply anything on the list but I've
been "listening" for while. I want to thank everyone who contributes to the
list.1 Corinthians 11:16 EI DE TIS DOKEI FILONEIKOS EINAI hHMEIS TOIAUTHN
SUNHQEIAN OUK ECOMEN OUDE hAI EKKLHSIAI TOU QEOUBut if any man seem to be
contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God. (KJV)But
if one is inclined to be contentious, we have no other practice, nor have
the churches of God. (NASB)I'm still a "very little greek" so my knowledge
is small, but growing. I'm having trouble understanding why "TOIAUTHN" is
translated as "other" in the NASB along with several other translations I
have seen. These two translations I've posted above seem to bring two
different meanings. The KJV seems to say " if anyone is contentious we
don't have such a custom, so don't worry about it." The NASB seems to say
"if anyone is contentious we have no other custom so don't argue with me."
I guess it could just
be my interpretation but the words "such" and "other" seem to convey two
different meanings. Which one best captures the idea "TOIAUTHN" is meant
to convey? Which translation (or if you suggest another) seems to carry the
proper thought into English from Greek?Thanks!Josh ParsleyFayetteville, AR
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