[B-Greek] Re. PLHQW + EN + dative

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Fri Nov 9 12:23:11 EST 2007


On Nov 9, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Paul F. Evans wrote:

> Carl,
>
> Thank you for correcting my transliteration!
>
> dat., KRHNHN  ...  hUDATI PEPLHQUIAN
>
> This is the very nuance I am trying to verify... If the spring is  
> filled by
> means of water, at least conceptually it is filled with water.  Is  
> that a
> genuine semantic nuance of the dative in these kinds of cases?  That  
> is why
> I am looking for other instances outside of the NT as well as in the  
> NT.
>
> Eph 5:18 has a similar construction... MH MEQUSKEQE OINWi EN Wi...
>
> Conceptually at least it takes imbibing the wine to produce  
> drunkenness,
> just as the spring is filled by and with the water.  I wonder if in  
> such
> cases the dative has that semantic force.
>
> My problem is trying to find ways to investigate the matter... I am  
> having
> difficulty using the Perseus site, so that is why I came to the  
> list.  I
> thought that there may be someone who has some insight into this  
> sort of
> nuanced construction.
>
> I know that I now run the risk of wearing out the list on this  
> discussion,
> but I am genuinely interested in a grammatical opinion on the  
> semantic force
> of the dative in connection with content/means when liquids are  
> involved.

Paul, I cited the BDAG entry deliberately in part to show instances of  
the dative used with PLHQW in secular literature -- did you not note  
them?


Carl W. Conrad
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