[B-Greek] Fwd: RE: hUPEKAHSAN

Albert Pietersma albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Tue Nov 27 12:09:29 EST 2007


Since both Ziegler (1954) and Munnich (1999) accept hUPEKAHSAN   
(DanLXX 3:94) as the original text (on the strength of Pap. 967), a  
translation (McLay) can be found on the NETS site at http:// 
ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/
Al
On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:48 AM, George F Somsel wrote:

> Apparently John replied to me personally with the correct citation  
> of the passage so my reply went to him rather than to the list.  I  
> don't believe he would object to it's being posted so I am  
> forwarding my reply to him to the list.
>
>   george
>   gfsomsel
>   ________
>
> George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>   Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:58:21 -0800 (PST)
> From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [B-Greek] hUPEKAHSAN
> To: Litteral John <John.Litteral at Ashland.kyschools.us>
>
>   Since today I am having a problem with my e-mail program and am  
> unable to use the Beta, I won't attempt to include the native Greek  
> but will limit myself to the transliteration.
>
> KAI SUNHXQHSAN hOI hUPATOI, TOPARXAI KAI ARXIPATRIWTAI KAI hOI  
> FILOI TOU BASILEWS KAI EQEWROUN TOUS ANQRWPOUS EKEINOUS, hOTI OUX  
> hHYATO TO PUR TOU SWMATOS AUTWN, KAI hAI TRIXES AUTWN OU KATEKAHSAN  
> KAI TA SARABARA AUTWN OUK HLLOIWQHSAN, OUDE OSMH TOU PUROS HN EN  
> AUTOIS
>
>   My electronic edition does not have the critical apparatus so I  
> am guessing that in place of KATEKAHSAN you find hUPEKAHSAN in the  
> variants.  This is the same form as KATEKAHSAN, namely 3 pl aor  
> pass ind from hUPOKAIW which differs as to its prepositional  
> prefix.  LSJ lists hUPOKAIW thusly
>     UPOKAIW,Att.&#65279; KAW, burn by applying fire below, TINAS  
> ZWNTAS D.S.&#65279;20.71, cf.&#65279; 19.108; burn underneath,  
> OSTEA Hdt.&#65279;4.61; CULA hU. TWi TRIPODI under the tripod,  
> Anon.&#65279;ap.&#65279;Eust.&#65279;1146.37; light sacrificial  
> fires, cf.&#65279; hUPOKLAIW.
>   2. light under, PUR Luc.&#65279;Phal.&#65279;1.&#65279;11:— 
> Pass.&#65279;, Arist.&#65279;Mete.&#65279;355a17.
>   3. hU. LEBANTA, [KAKKABHN], light a fire under it,  
> Gal.&#65279;13.37, 6.707.
>   4. heat a bath, PFlor.&#65279;127.4 (iii a.d.), PGiss.&#65279;40  
> ii 19 (iii a.d.).
>   II. metaph.&#65279; in Pass.&#65279;, hU. TINOS to be inflamed by  
> love for .., Parth.&#65279;12.1, 23.2; to be inflamed, FLUKTAINAI - 
> OMENAI Ph.&#65279;2.101.
>
>       Liddell, H. G., Scott, R., Jones, H. S., & McKenzie, R.  
> (1996). A Greek-English lexicon.  Oxford; New York: Clarendon  
> Press; Oxford University Press.
>
>   Obviously the "Gal." in the LSJ citation cannot be the NT book of  
> Galatians since that does not have 13 chapters.  It is Galenus  
> though I am uncertain regarding which of his works is referenced.
>
>   george
>   gfsomsel
>   _________
>
>
>
>
>   Litteral John <John.Litteral at Ashland.kyschools.us> wrote:
>
>
>       George,
>
>   Sorry for the typo.  Verse 94 in the Gottingen and Rahlfs.  Thanks!
>
>   John Litteral
>
> john.litteral at ashland.kyschools.us
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>   From: George F Somsel [mailto:gfsomsel at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:50 AM
> To: Litteral John; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] hUPEKAHSAN
>
>
>
>   In my Rahlfs copy of the LXX (both Theodotion and the Old Greek)  
> chapter 3 is numbered from verse 92 through 97.  Also, in Hebrew  
> chapter 3 only extends to verse 33 so I'm wondering what you are  
> looking at.  If you were to give a transliteration of the passage I  
> might be able to locate your position.
>
>   george
>   gfsomsel
>   ___________
>
> Litteral John <John.Litteral at Ashland.kyschools.us> wrote:
>   In a variant in Daniel OG LXX 3:34, hUPEKAHSAN is found. I am not
> familar with this word, and I have not had any luck looking it up. Is
> it a scribal error and a word that does not exist? Thank you!
>
> John Litteral
>
> john.litteral at ashland.kyschools.us
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>
> george
> gfsomsel
>
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> george
> gfsomsel
>
> Therefore, O faithful Christian, search for truth, hear truth,
> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> defend the truth till death.
>
> - Jan Hus
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> george
> gfsomsel
>
> Therefore, O faithful Christian, search for truth, hear truth,
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> defend the truth till death.
>
>  - Jan Hus
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