[B-Greek] Lexical entries and "final meaning" - translation vs. understanding

John Wilking jcwilking at yahoo.com
Mon Aug 11 07:43:03 EDT 2008


Carl,

I have a copy of Larousse English/French Dictionary and they call the entries translations.  Why wouldn't we assume that the English entries in BDAG were translations? 

John 


--- On Sun, 8/10/08, Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com> wrote:

> From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Lexical entries and "final meaning" - translation vs. understanding
> To: jcwilking at yahoo.com
> Cc: "B-Greek B-Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 10:25 PM
> On Aug 10, 2008, at 5:36 PM, John Wilking wrote:
> 
> > Carl,
> >
> > I'm first of all wondering about the bilingual
> BDAG one that we  
> > have.  Does it have the same function as other current
> bilingual  
> > dictionaries with reference to definitions?
> 
> Yes, in my opinion. No dictionary/lexicon is perfect, and I
> know that  
> there are some who hold a low opinion of BDAG, but I
> personally think  
> it's very good. It does categorize the senses, it does
> indicate usage  
> in terms of the time-range of Greek linguistic history, and
> it does  
> present citations of and references to texts illustrative
> of the  
> senses indicated.
> 
> Carl W. Conrad
> 
> > --- On Sun, 8/10/08, Carl Conrad
> <cwconrad2 at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Lexical entries and
> "final meaning" -  
> >> translation vs. understanding
> >> To: "John Wilking"
> <jcwilking at yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "B-Greek B-Greek"
> <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> >> Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 5:25 PM
> >> Ideally, I would think our Koine Greek lexicon
> ought to have
> >> Koine
> >> Greek lemmata and Koine Greek definitions
> carefully
> >> categorized and
> >> subcategorized in the same fashion as any other
> >> same-language
> >> unabridged dictionary such as Webster's for
> American
> >> English, OED for
> >> British English, Larousse for French, etc. One
> ought to pay
> >> attention
> >> to the Diccionario Griego-Español as well
> >> (http://www.filol.csic.es/dge/index2.ht
> >> m). Particularly important in any of these is (a)
> the
> >> endeavor to be
> >> thorough (that endeavor will fail, but it ought
> >> nevertheless to be
> >> earnestly made), and (b) the citation of examples
> of the
> >> whole
> >> spectrum of usage with some clear indication of
> the era or
> >> time-span
> >> during which a cataloged usage is attested in the
> literary
> >> corpus.
> >>
> >> Carl W. Conrad
> >> Department of Classics, Washington University
> (Retired)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 10, 2008, at 4:58 PM, John Wilking wrote:
> >>
> >>> Carl,
> >>>
> >>> Should we view other bilingual dictionaries
> the same
> >> way, e.g.
> >>> French/English or Chinese/English?  Or does
> BDAG do
> >> something
> >>> different because it is dealing with a dead
> language.
> >> I have for a
> >>> long time envisioned our NT lexicon as
> potentially
> >> becoming
> >>> identical with a First Century Koine
> Webster's, if
> >> we can imagine
> >>> finding such a book.


      



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