[B-Greek] subject in Rev 1:1

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Thu Aug 14 17:47:44 EDT 2008





On Aug 14, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Tom Moore wrote:

> If God gave the revelation for the purpose of himself showing, would  
> it not have to be hINA + subjective (ἵνα δείξῃ)?
>
> With an infinitive, is another option possible here other than that  
> God gave the revelation to Jesus in order for Jesus to show? (Smyth  
> #2008, Infinitive of Purpose)

Precisely which alternative was intended is difficult to determine.  
This was one of the points I was trying to make in my previous post: I  
don't think we can expect this author to conform to the ordinary  
standards of school Greek.

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)

>

>> -------Original Message-------
>> From: kgraham0938 at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] subject in Rev 1:1
>> Sent: Aug 14 '08 18:30
>>
>> Hello, but would'nt you see the KAI there linking the two clauses  
>> together?  Meaning that hO QEOS is the one who gave and the one who  
>> indicates?  And secondly, I would not see IHSOU CHRISTOU as the  
>> subject of  DEIXAI TOIS DOULOIS  because I would take the  
>> infinitive as modifying EDWKEN denoting purpose.  God gave in order  
>> to show his servant...
>> --
>> Kelton Graham
>> KGRAHAM0938 at comcast.net
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2008, at 1:09 PM, kgraham0938 at comcast.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> hO QEOS is the subject because it is nominative and the angel
>>>> belongs to the Father. IHSOU CHRISTOU is genitive so it cannot be
>>>> the subject of the verb.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Kelton Graham
>>>> KGRAHAM0938 at comcast.net
>>>>
>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>>> From: "Beata Urbanek"
>>>>
>>>>> Dear List,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rev 1:1 says: APOKALUYIS IHSOU CRISTOU hHN EDWKEN AUTWi hO QEOS
>>>>> DEIXAI TOIS
>>>>> DOULOIS AUTOU hA DEI GENESQAI EN TACEI KAI ESHMANEN APOSTEILAS DIA
>>>>> TOU AGGELOU
>>>>> AUTOU TWi DOULWi AUTOU IWANNHi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is: what is the subject of the verb ESHMANEN? Is it hO
>>>>> QEOS because
>>>>> it is the nearest possible noun and in nominative? Or is it Jesus
>>>>> Christ because
>>>>> APOKALUYIS was given to him and he can give it to others?
>>>>> Consequently, whose
>>>>> AGGELOS is it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Beata Urbanek
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> The subject of the verb ESHMANEN is ambiguous. The case of hO QEOS  
>>> is
>>> irrelevant since KAI in KAI ESHMANEN APOSTEILAS introduces a new
>>> clause. The semantic structure seems to point to IHSOUS CRISTOS as  
>>> the
>>> subject, since AUTWi in EDWKEN AUTWi hO QEOS is coreferential with
>>> IHSOU CRISTOU who is the subject of DEIXAI TOIS DOULOIS AUTOU.
>>>
>>>
>>> Elizabeth Kline
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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