[B-Greek] Question about Luke 19:8

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Wed Jan 23 05:46:28 EST 2008


I am confused by your reference to a "first class trip."  It is, as has been indicated, a first class condition.  A first class condition indicates that the condition is accepted as being true then sets forth the result.
 
george
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----- Original Message ----
From: Oun Kwon <kwonbbl at gmail.com>
To: B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:01:09 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Question about Luke 19:8


2008/1/22 Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>:
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Will Dilbeck wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > This is my first post, but I was really perplexed about this.
> >
> > The verbs DIDWMI and APODIDWMI are both present active indicative.
>
> > However,
> > the commentators were unanimous in saying that Zaccheus was
> > demonstrating
> > repentence here, and basically saying that he was guilty, and that
 he
> > intended to pay everyone back.  If this was the case, would the
> > verbs not be
> > in the future tense or subjunctive mood?
>
> The subjunctive would not be used in any case unless it's in a
> dependent clause that's dependent upon some other element, as, for
> example, ARA BOULHi hINA DIDWMI ... "Do you want me to give ...?"  (=
> "Do you want that i should give ... ").
>
> The present tense is not uncommonly used to indicate an intention
 that
> is not immediately in process. Compare the English, "I'm going to
 town
> today" -- which does not mean that the speaker is currently on the
> road. If you Englished the Greek of Lk 19:8 as "Hey, I'm giving half
> of my stuff to the poor, and if I've cheated anyone, I'm giving it
> back quadruple," would that not be intelligible English to express
 the
> intention to carry through with this assertion. This is rather like
> the administration and politicians talking about the tax rebate
> they're "putting in our hands" -- sounds like it's coming next week
 or
> even today, but don't look for it right away!
>
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>
> You pasted the text in, but didn't have the UTF-8 encoding, so it
> doesn't show up properly. This is precisely why we ask list-members
 to
> add a standard BG transliteration. It should be:
> Luke 19:8 σταθεὶς δὲ Ζακχαῖος εἶπεν
 πρὸς
> τὸν κύριον· ἰδοὺ τὰ ἡμίσιά μου
 τῶν
> ὑπαρχόντων, κύριε, τοῖς πτωχοῖς
> δίδωμι, καὶ εἴ τινός τι
> ἐσυκοφάντησα ἀποδίδωμι
 τετραπλοῦν.
> STAQEIS DE ZAKCAIOS EIPEN PROS TON KURION: IDOU TA hHMISIA MOU TWN
> hUPARCONTWN, KURIE, TOIS PTWCOIS DIDWMI, KAI EI TINOS ESUKOFANHTSA
> APODIDWMI TETRAPLOUN.
>
>

Does EI clause tell us he was admitting the extortion/fraud or denying
it in a tone of 'if I ~ ever'?
NET has a footnote saying "This is a first class condition in the
Greek text. It virtually confesses fraud."  What does it mean 'first
class trip' on Greek text?

Oun Kwon.
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