[B-Greek] What to Read?

Eddie Mishoe edmishoe at yahoo.com
Sat Jul 19 12:50:21 EDT 2008


Sarah:

I would actually discourage students against this 'look for the verb then subject.' Read it as the Greeks read it... straight across. They put words in a specific order for a reason. Your method tends to see learning Greek as a way of converting the Greek into an English gloss-like translation procedure in English order. To me, if you ever want to master Greek, you will have to abandon this notion of "translation Greek."

Eddie Mishoe
Pastor


--- On Sat, 7/19/08, Sarah Madden <sarah.r.madden at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Sarah Madden <sarah.r.madden at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] What to Read?
> To: manuchon1 at free.fr
> Cc: "B-Greek B-Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 12:42 PM
> Emmanuel--
> To read more fluidly, I find it useful to read aloud and to
> search for the
> verb first  then a noun in the nominative case. With these
> two elements, you
> often have the skeleton of the sentence. All of the other
> items
> (conjunctions, adverbs, adjectives) should feed this basic
> sentence outline.
> When I mentor fellow students as a TA, I encourage them to
> even highlight
> the verb on their paper copy, and they find this is
> extremely helpful.
> 
> Sarah
> sarah.r.madden at gmail.com
> Maryland. USA
> 
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 4:05 PM, <manuchon1 at free.fr>
> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks to all for you help.
> >
> > Another question : Have you any tips on
> "how" read ? Like in other
> > language, I search for conjunction. I begin to realize
> that seeing
> > "prepositionnal phrases" or
> "participial phrases" as a whole is useful. But
> > are there other thing to pay attention for ?
> >
> >
> > Concerning, the citation of Oscar Wilde "In
> France, nobody speaks English.
> >  In America, nobody speaks
> > English well." I think it's equaly true the
> other way : "in America nobody
> > speaks French. In France, nobody speaks French
> well" ;-)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Emmanuel
> > ----- Mail Original -----
> > De: "Mark Lightman"
> <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
> > À: "B-Greek B-Greek"
> <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>, manuchon1 at free.fr
> > Envoyé: Jeudi 17 Juillet 2008 18:08:42 GMT +01:00
> Amsterdam / Berlin /
> > Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
> > Objet: Re: What to Read? (Was [B-Greek] Learning Greek
> (ad nauseam and for
> > the umpteenth time)
> >
> > If your goal is to understand the Greek NT and you
> want to read something
> > else in Greek, nothing comes close to the Apostolic
> Fathers.  Same vocab,
> > similar syntax, lots of LXX and even some NT quotes,
> and, for the most
> > part, these authors are TRYING to be understood, which
> I'm afraid I cannot
> > say the same for Sophocles or Thucydides.  I agree
> that the Enchirideon is
> > also worth reading.  There is a recent critical
> edition which includes the
> > Christian paraphrases, which I would recommend because
> they are a
> > little easier than the originial.
> >
> > You ask "So, what are your advices?"  I
> think we would say, "What is
> > your advice?"  But maybe your wording is better
> because you are unlikely
> > to get only ONE bit of advice on anything subject on
> this list.
> >
> > Mark L.
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 7/17/08, manuchon1 at free.fr
> <manuchon1 at free.fr> wrote:
> >
> > From: manuchon1 at free.fr <manuchon1 at free.fr>
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Learning Greek (ad nauseam and
> for the umpteenth
> > time)
> > To: "B-Greek B-Greek"
> <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 1:27 AM
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> >
> > So, my question is more WHAT to read? With all that
> I've read of you, it
> > seems to me that reading classical greek is
> interesting. The point seems to
> > be
> > that, in reading, you will encounter a lot of
> expressions, ways of saying
> > things, not so common in the new testament, so when
> you see them you are
> > not
> > surprised by them but have mastered them. For the
> common expressions, ways
> > of
> > saying things, because they are common in the new
> testament, you will
> > encounter
> > them and will have the opportunities to master them!
> >
> > For the moment, I went through Mounce, have read about
> 2/3 of Wallace. In
> > my
> > lybrary there are : BDF, BAGD, Robertson is in its
> way.  I try to read the
> > pauline epistles, but I see that I can understand, not
> because I understand
> > the
> > greek but because I know some english or french
> translation of it. This is
> > not
> > really what I want...
> >
> > So, what are your advices? Are there some good reading
> course (Athenaze???)
> > ?
> > Or have I to buy Liddle-Scott, a classical grammar
> (Smyth?) and merely read
> > anything I want? Is there some Author or texts that
> your recommend (because
> > of
> > the vocabulary or anything else)?
> >
> > Thanks to all who will help me!
> >
> > Emmanuel Hechon
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> 
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