[B-Greek] hO QEOS John 11:22 - pragmatic marking?

Elizabeth Kline kline_dekooning at earthlink.net
Tue Jul 29 15:23:03 EDT 2008


Thank you George and also those who answered off list.


On Jul 28, 2008, at 2:41 PM, George F Somsel wrote:

> I wouldn't read too much into it.  QEOS isn't the only reference  
> which John repeats rather than using a pronoun. He seems to do the  
> same with IHSOUS.
>
> .
>
> John 1:42
> John 4:1
> John 4:50
> John 12:1
> John 13:23
> John 18:15
> John 19:9
> John 19:38
> John 20:14
> John 21:4
> .
>
>
>
> george
> gfsomsel

Yes, I can see your point. I am not sure the comparison between IHSOUS  
and QEOS is very useful since IHSOUS is a narrative participant, with  
global VIP status and QEOS isn't really a narrative participant. I did  
a search on PATHR to see if we find a similar pattern, Jn  
4:23,6:57,10:15,10:38 are a few examples

John 4:23 ALLA ERCETAI hWRA KAI NUN ESTIN, hOTE hOI ALHQINOI  
PROSKUNHTAI PROSKUNHSOUSIN TWi PATRI EN PNEUMATI KAI ALHQEIAi: KAI GAR  
hO PATHR TOIOUTOUS ZHTEI TOUS PROSKUNOUNTAS AUTON.

John 6:57 KAQWS APESTEILEN ME hO ZWN PATHR KAGW ZW DIA TON PATERA, KAI  
hO TRWGWN ME KAKEINOS ZHSEI DI EME.

John 10:15 KAQWS GINWSKEI ME hO PATHR KAGW GINWSKW TON PATERA, KAI THN  
YUCHN MOU TIQHMI hUPER TWN PROBATWN.

John 10:38 EI DE POIW, KAN EMOI MH PISTEUHTE, TOIS ERGOIS PISTEUETE,  
hINA GNWTE KAI GINWSKHTE hOTI EN EMOI hO PATHR KAGW EN TWi PATRI.

However pronouns are used for PATHR in

John 14:7 EI EGNWKATE ME, KAI TON PATERA MOU GNWSESQE. KAI AP ARTI  
GINWSKETE AUTON KAI hEWRAKATE AUTON.

John 14:10 OU PISTEUEIS hOTI EGW EN TWi PATRI KAI hO PATHR EN EMOI  
ESTIN TA hRHMATA hA EGW LEGW hUMIN AP EMAUTOU OU LALW, hO DE PATHR EN  
EMOI MENWN POIEI TA ERGA AUTOU.

On the other hand references to the Spirit are demonstrate a different  
pattern:

John 14:16 KAGW ERWTHSW TON PATERA KAI ALLON PARAKLHTON DWSEI hUMIN,  
hINA MEQ hUMWN EIS TON AIWNA Hi,  17 TO PNEUMA THS ALHQEIAS, hO hO  
KOSMOS OU DUNATAI LABEIN, hOTI OU QEWREI AUTO OUDE GINWSKEI: hUMEIS  
GINWSKETE AUTO, hOTI PAR hUMIN MENEI KAI EN hUMIN ESTAI.

See also Jn 16:7-14
John 16:7 ALL EGW THN ALHQEIAN LEGW hUMIN, SUMFEREI hUMIN hINA EGW  
APELQW. EAN GAR MH APELQW, hO PARAKLHTOS OUK ELEUSETAI PROS hUMAS: EAN  
DE POREUQW, PEMYW AUTON PROS hUMAS.  8 KAI ELQWN EKEINOS ELEGXEI TON  
KOSMON PERI hAMARTIAS KAI PERI DIKAIOSUNHS KAI PERI KRISEWS:  9 PERI  
hAMARTIAS MEN, hOTI OU PISTEUOUSIN EIS EME:  10 PERI DIKAIOSUNHS DE,  
hOTI PROS TON PATERA hUPAGW KAI OUKETI QEWREITE ME:  11 PERI DE  
KRISEWS, hOTI hO ARCWN TOU KOSMOU TOUTOU KEKRITAI.  12 ETI POLLA ECW  
hUMIN LEGEIN, ALL OU DUNASQE BASTAZEIN ARTI:  13 hOTAN DE ELQHi  
EKEINOS, TO PNEUMA THS ALHQEIAS, hODHGHSEI hUMAS EN THi ALHQEIAi  
PASHi: OU GAR LALHSEI AF hEAUTOU, ALL hOSA AKOUSEI LALHSEI KAI TA  
ERCOMENA ANAGGELEI hUMIN.  14 EKEINOS EME DOXASEI, hOTI EK TOU EMOU  
LHMYETAI KAI ANAGGELEI hUMIN.  15 PANTA hOSA ECEI hO PATHR EMA ESTIN:  
DIA TOUTO EIPON hOTI EK TOU EMOU LAMBANEI KAI ANAGGELEI hUMIN.



Elizabeth Kline







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