[B-Greek] TETARAKTAI in JOHN 12:27
Elizabeth Kline
kline_dekooning at earthlink.net
Tue Mar 4 14:47:20 EST 2008
On Mar 4, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Carl Conrad wrote:
> As I noted in a follow-up, I really think this is stative: "My mind
> is in turmoil" or "I am distressed." I really don't think that the
> fact that it's perfect tense has anything to do with spontaneity or
> lack of it or with some necessarily external cause. I agree that we
> can understand the factors involved in the distress, but I don't
> see why the perfect tense as such -- particularly when it's stative
> -- indicating a current state -- has any bearing on the matter.
Carl and Webb,
Perhaps subject affectedness does not necessarily imply a change of
state. A verb marked for subject affectedness might be drawing
attention to a mental state (being troubled) without reference to any
previous or subsequent state and without an causative or agentive
arguments within the same clause. The notion of transition between
states being more or less absent or at least backgrounded.
I note that Matthew follows his habit of setting the stage (cause/
agent) with a participle clause before reporting the the mental state
of being troubled:
MATT. 2:3 AKOUSAS DE hO BASILEUS hHRWiDHS ETARACQH KAI PASA
hIEROSOLUMA MET' AUTOU,
MATT. 14:26 hOI DE MAQHTAI IDONTES AUTON EPI THS QALASSHS
PERIPATOUNTA ETARACQHSAN LEGONTES hOTI FANTASMA ESTIN, KAI APO TOU
FOBOU EKRAXAN.
On the other hand, John is a little more indirect. The cause is
present by inference from the local discourse segment but it isn't
formally attached in the manner seen in Matthew.
JOHN 12:27 NUN hH YUCH MOU TETARAKTAI, KAI TI EIPW; PATER, SWSON ME
EK THS hWRAS TAUTHS; ALLA DIA TOUTO HLQON EIS THN hWRAN TAUTHN.
JOHN 13:21 TAUTA EIPWN [hO] IHSOUS ETARACQH TWi PNEUMATI KAI
EMARTURHSEN KAI EIPEN: AMHN AMHN LEGW hUMIN hOTI hEIS EX hUMWN
PARADWSEI ME.
Thank you Carl and Webb,
Elizabeth Kline
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