[B-Greek] Philippians 1:3-4 PANTOTE EN PASHi DEHSEI MOU hUPER PANTWN hUMWN
John David
aka.johndavid at yahoo.ca
Fri Mar 21 11:50:32 EDT 2008
Phil 1:3-4 Εὐχαριστῶ τῷ θεῷ μου ἐπὶ πάσῃ τῇ μνείᾳ ὑμῶν 4 πάντοτε ἐν πάσῃ δεήσει μου ὑπὲρ πάντων ὑμῶν, μετὰ χαρᾶς τὴν δέησιν ποιούμενος ...
Phil 1:3-4 EUCARISTW TWi QEWi MOU EPI PASHi THi MNEIAi hUMWN, PANTOTE EN PASHi DEHSEI MOU hUPER PANTWN hUMWN, META CARAS THN DEHSIN POIOUMENOS ...
Are there any firm rules or general guidelines for deciding what a particular prepositional phrase modifies?
The flow of the sentence seems simpler if πάντοτε ἐν πάσῃ δεήσει μου ὑπὲρ πάντων ὑμῶν PANTOTE EN PASHi DEHSEI MOU hUPER PANTWN hUMWN modifies Εὐχαριστῶ EUCARISTW. The phrase then denotes the sphere in which Paul's thanksgiving takes place. I also think that the use of the article (anaphora) in THN DEHSIN begs, or at the very least allows, for a greater grammatical distance from DEHSEI. A broad translation would then read: "When I think of all of you I always give thanks to my God in all of my petitions on behalf of all of you, making these petitions with joy ..."
Grace and Peace to you.
Wm.. Michael McInnes
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From: Carl W. Conrad <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
To: B-Greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc: John David <aka.johndavid at yahoo.ca>
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Subject: Philippians 1:3-4 PANTOTE EN PASHi DEHSEI MOU hUPER PANTWN hUMWN
Here's another message that should have come on to the list but
slipped through the cracks. I'm going to post it and respond to it at
the same time:
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From: John David <aka.johndavid at yahoo.ca>
Date: March 20, 2008 10:24:57 PM EDT
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Philippians 1:3-4 PANTOTE EN PASHi DEHSEI MOU hUPER PANTWN
hUMWN
Phil 1:3-4: EUCARISTW TWi QEWi MOU EPI PASHi THi MNEIAi hUMWN,
PANTOTE EN PASHi DEHSEI MOU hUPER PANTWN hUMWN, META CARAS THN DEHSIN
POIOUMENOS ...
First-time User
Sorry but I haven't figured out about the UTF-8 for Firefox/Yahoo just
yet. Any hints on that would be appreciated. But my real question is
about Phil 1:3-4 and PANTOTE EN PASHi DEHSEI MOU hUPER PANTWN hUMWN.
Every translation I have seen has this phrase modifying POIOUMENOS. Is
there any reason why it cannot modify EUCARISTW? If it can modify
EUCARISTW, then what tips the balance so heavily in favour of
POIOUMENOS?
Grace and Peace to you.
Wm. Michael McInnes
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UTF-8 Text: Εὐχαριστῶ τῷ θεῷ μου ἐπὶ
πάσῃ τῇ μνείᾳ ὑμῶν 4 πάντοτε ἐν
πάσῃ δεήσει μου ὑπὲρ πάντων ὑμῶν,
μετὰ χαρᾶς τὴν δέησιν ποιούμενος ...
This is actually something of a "run-on sentence", inasmuch as
POIOUMENOS itself is followed by another adverbial phrase, and then,
in verse 6 by another participial phrase, πεποιθὼς αὐτὸ
τοῦτο, ὅτι ... (PEPOIQWS AUTO TOUTO , hOTI ... ).
I think you should note first that THN DEHSIN POIOUMENOS is linked to
the initial EUCARISTW. However, POIOUMENOS has DEHSIN as its object,
and for that reason it does seem to make sense to link EN PASHi DEHSEI
MOU with DEHSIN POIOUMENOS.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Ret)
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