[B-Greek] Philippians 1:3-4 PANTOTE EN PASHi DEHSEI MOU hUPER PANTWN hUMWN

John David aka.johndavid at yahoo.ca
Fri Mar 21 11:50:32 EDT 2008


Phil 1:3-4 Εὐχαριστῶ τῷ θεῷ μου ἐπὶ  πάσῃ τῇ μνείᾳ ὑμῶν  4 πάντοτε ἐν  πάσῃ δεήσει μου ὑπὲρ πάντων ὑμῶν,  μετὰ χαρᾶς τὴν δέησιν ποιούμενος ...

Phil 1:3-4  EUCARISTW TWi QEWi MOU EPI PASHi THi MNEIAi hUMWN,  PANTOTE EN  PASHi DEHSEI MOU hUPER PANTWN hUMWN, META CARAS THN DEHSIN  POIOUMENOS ...

Are there any firm rules or general guidelines for deciding what a particular prepositional phrase modifies? 

The flow of the sentence seems simpler if πάντοτε ἐν πάσῃ δεήσει μου ὑπὲρ πάντων ὑμῶν PANTOTE EN PASHi DEHSEI MOU hUPER PANTWN hUMWN modifies Εὐχαριστῶ EUCARISTW. The phrase then denotes the sphere in which Paul's thanksgiving takes place. I also think that the use of the article (anaphora) in THN DEHSIN begs, or at the very least allows, for a greater grammatical distance from DEHSEI. A broad translation would then read: "When I think of all of you I always give thanks to my God in all of my petitions on behalf of all of you, making these petitions with joy ..."
 
Grace and Peace to you.
Wm.. Michael McInnes

----- Original Message ----
From: Carl W. Conrad <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
To: B-Greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc: John David <aka.johndavid at yahoo.ca>
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Subject: Philippians 1:3-4 PANTOTE EN PASHi DEHSEI MOU hUPER PANTWN hUMWN

Here's another message that should have come on to the list but  
slipped through the cracks. I'm going to post it and respond to it at  
the same time:
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From: John David <aka.johndavid at yahoo.ca>
Date: March 20, 2008 10:24:57 PM EDT
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Philippians 1:3-4 PANTOTE EN PASHi DEHSEI MOU hUPER PANTWN  
hUMWN

Phil 1:3-4:     EUCARISTW TWi QEWi MOU EPI PASHi THi MNEIAi hUMWN,  
PANTOTE EN  PASHi DEHSEI MOU hUPER PANTWN hUMWN, META CARAS THN DEHSIN  
POIOUMENOS ...

First-time User
Sorry but I haven't figured out about the UTF-8 for Firefox/Yahoo just  
yet. Any hints on that would be appreciated. But my real question is  
about Phil 1:3-4 and PANTOTE EN PASHi DEHSEI MOU hUPER PANTWN hUMWN.  
Every translation I have seen has this phrase modifying POIOUMENOS. Is  
there any reason why it cannot modify EUCARISTW? If it can modify  
EUCARISTW, then what tips the balance so heavily in favour of  
POIOUMENOS?

Grace and Peace to you.
Wm. Michael McInnes
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UTF-8 Text: Εὐχαριστῶ τῷ θεῷ μου ἐπὶ  
πάσῃ τῇ μνείᾳ ὑμῶν  4 πάντοτε ἐν  
πάσῃ δεήσει μου ὑπὲρ πάντων ὑμῶν,  
μετὰ χαρᾶς τὴν δέησιν ποιούμενος ...

This is actually something of a "run-on sentence", inasmuch as  
POIOUMENOS itself is followed by another adverbial phrase, and then,  
in verse 6 by another participial phrase, πεποιθὼς αὐτὸ  
τοῦτο, ὅτι ... (PEPOIQWS AUTO TOUTO , hOTI ... ).

I think you should note first that THN DEHSIN POIOUMENOS is linked to  
the initial EUCARISTW. However, POIOUMENOS has DEHSIN as its object,  
and for that reason it does seem to make sense to link EN PASHi DEHSEI  
MOU with DEHSIN POIOUMENOS.

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Ret)







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