[B-Greek] LXX Genesis 1:2 - tohu as AORATOS
Albert Pietersma
albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Wed May 28 15:02:56 EDT 2008
Reference in Plato is specific to the Timaeus because of the use of
AORATOS in cosmogony.
Al
On May 28, 2008, at 2:18 PM, George F Somsel wrote:
> 2 ἡ δὲ γῆ ἦν ἀόρατος καὶ
> ἀκατασκεύαστος, καὶ σκότος ἐπάνω
> τῆς ἀβύσσου, καὶ πνεῦμα θεοῦ
> ἐπεφέρετο ἐπάνω τοῦ ὕδατος.
> 2 hH DE GH HN AORATOS KAI AKATASKEUASTOS, KAI SKOTOS EPANW THS
> ABUSSOU, KAI PNEUMA QEOU EPEFERETO EPANW TOU hUDATOS
> Not to disagree with Albert, but rather more to possibly add to
> what he has stated. LSJ notes
> Pl.Sph.246a, cf. Tht.155e, al.: τὰν ἀ. ἀτραπιτὸν
> βιότου [TAN A. ATRAPITON BIOTOU] obscure, Epigr.Gr.223
> Liddell, H. G., Scott, R., Jones, H. S., & McKenzie, R. (1996). A
> Greek-English lexicon. "With a revised supplement, 1996." (Rev. and
> augm. throughout) (173). Oxford; New York: Clarendon Press; Oxford
> University Press.
>
> If I am reading this correctly (and I haven't yet checked on it),
> Plato in the Theatetus uses ἀόρατος [AORATOS] in the sense
> of "obscure." Considering the subsequent statement καὶ
> σκότος ἐπάνω τῆς ἀβύσσου [KAI SKOTOS EPANW
> THS ABUSSOU], this would seem to be a possible understanding of its
> use here.george
> gfsomsel
>
>
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> From: Eric S. Weiss <papaweiss1 at yahoo.com>
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:06:07 AM
> Subject: [B-Greek] LXX Genesis 1:2 - tohu as AORATOS
>
> The LXX in Genesis 1:2 translates the Hebrew tohu wa-bohu as
> AORATOS KAI
> AKATASKEUASTOS. I.e., the earth was "invisible." Is that perhaps
> the basis for Hebrews
> 11:3 saying: PISTEI NOOUMEN KATHRTISQAI TOUS AIWNAS hRHMATI QEOU,
> EIS TO
> MH EK FAINOMENWN TO BLEPOMENON GEGONENAI?
>
> And ... is AORATOS a proper translation of tohu? The other two
> occurrences in the Hebrew
> Bible of tohu with bohu are not translated similarly in the LXX.
> E.g., Jeremiah 4:23 simply
> subsumes both words under the single Greek word OUQEN, and Isaiah
> 34:11 translates
> tohu as ERHMOS, and the Hebrew bohu phrase is totally different
> in the Greek.
>
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>
> Eric S. Weiss
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